You know you can mail tradable items to your alt right? Like accesories and such. Thats what i do. Have not had to spend a single pheon on my alts.
You want to be able to purchase gear for effectively nothing, you’re suggesting that being unable to is a “limit to my own enjoyment”.
Pointing out that you’re not given everything you want in an MMO immediately, even if that puts a “limit to” your “own enjoyment”, is not a strawman.
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As you said things are worth what people are willing to pay for them. Most people dismantle that gear instead of list it, it’s not worth much. The pheon system is what causes the cost to go up for me in the cases I have stated. Shifting the argument to me just wanting everything right away because I don’t like the pheon system is disingenuous to the extreme and yes is a strawman.
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The game is just overly convoluted.
You can’t use gold to buy gear, you gotta use gold and phoens.
You can’t sell items for gold, you gotta sell them for silver
Every aspect of this game is overly convoluted to make your life miserable.
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People are buying the accessories I list with the current system, so they are worth that amount, yes.
Then they might not be worth buying for you, they will be to someone else. As I said before, I advise you to instead slowly work on gathering them yourself. As a result of Peons, we get far more accessory drops than we otherwise would, so it wont take you too long.
You said that being unable to buy accessories for (functionally) nothing limited your enjoyment, you overtly have stated you want to have full accessories on your alts for “10g each”. We only get the quantity of accessory drops that we do because of Peons, without Peons they would need to be much rarer, which would push up the price as a result.
It is not a strawman, nor is it disingenuous of me to literally quote what you’ve said, lol.
The amount of accessory drops and the pheon system do not have to be linked at all so your given is false.
You’re saying something that anyone would agree with, that it takes time to get things in an mmo then attacking that. At that point you’ve entirely changed what the conversation is even about and we aren’t even talking about pheons anymore.
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Do you not see that the amount that drop is balanced around an assumption that people will farm for many of them themselves?
Yes, “anyone would agree” with me pointing out how silly your argument is, well said. 
Quoting you and replying to what you said is not me changing the conversation, if you didn’t want it to be a part of the conversation, you wouldn’t have said it. I can understand you perhaps regret having said it, but it’s not a strawman, nor is it disingenuous for me to highlight what you said.
You’re operating on some assumption that the price of accessories have to be something you envision, they don’t.
You’re misquoting me if you’re quoting me.
Your entire argument is “so you don’t like that you can’t buy 10 gold accessories without buying 3100 gold of pheons first to try out alt build and have fun? Then just take more time you can’t do everything fast in an mmo”.
That’s a shit solution. It gives zero reasons for why Pheons should exist. You also make a ton of assumptions, and then leap to conclusions. And then claim you’re quoting me.
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Then equally, you’re operating on the assumption that you should only be expected to pay “10g each” for accessories, you’re mistaken.
No it isn’t, I said you should buy 3180 gold worth of accessories if they’re worth 3180 gold to you. I then followed by saying, multiple times at this point, that since we’re given so many drops, you should slowly farm them yourself if they’re not worth 3180 gold to you.
You claimed in reply that you shouldn’t be expected to pay 3180 gold, because it’s not “worth” 3180 gold. I pointed out that something is worth what someone is willing to pay, and as people do buy the accessories, they are worth that amount.
You continued that you shouldn’t be exacted to pay more than “10g each”, which I pointed it is effectively nothing and that you should be expected to work for what you have.
I also pointed out that we get 100+ accessory drops each week per character specifically because of the Peon tax leading to many people slowly hunting for their own. You seem to think that just me personally pumping over 1000 accessories into the economy each week would be completely fine and would result in a healthy market.
They are paying 10g because they have pheons left over. But most people aren’t buying them at all. And most of the things I put up for sale aren’t being bought at all either. Because of pheons. People dismantle them because they’re basically worthless. People only value the right stat and right engraving combintations and we have a ton of them that no one wants and also that no one is willing to buy because of pheons. They just go to waste in the dumpster. I don’t see how you can argue your point of view with a straight face to be perfectly honest. You’re ignoring (on purpose?) the important things then adding in assumptions.
We don’t get that many accessory drops because of the Pheon tax. They are not even related. There’s plenty of games out there that drown you in worthless loot that might only be interesting to people playing around with builds. Look at diablo 2 for example. Again this is just a bad assumption.
It’s not mistaken at all with the value of engravings as they are and the value of stat combinations as they are and the amount of them we get it’s hardly an assumption at all it’s just basic facts. Saying if you removed pheons that you’d have to fundamentally change accessory drop rates is not only false, it’s just weird to even think you’d have to adjust one due to the lack of the other. Again look at all these other games out there that have tons of drops all the time, most of which are worth almost nothing or don’t even get picked up. These games don’t even have a pheon or auctioin house tax system so suggesting that they are related is just some weird kind of asspull and it feels like you’re just trying to waste my time at this point.
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I agree, the pheon system is garbage and should be removed. Especially trading accessories and stones with alts, I earned that gear so I shouldn’t have to pay to give it to one of my alts.
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Your accessorie doesn’t worth 80g, but 3100g. If pheon were not a thing, your accessorie would not be 80g
Almost everything in this game restricts players from enjoying the game… I got no fucking gold, I get a book, ooo oh wait, I can’t sell it cos of listing caps. Or I have no gold to even list it… I run a raid, the fucking raid takes half the gold I earned if I want the mats… this game is not fun
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Ok with pheons in general (prefer no pheons tho), but for transfers between alts in the same account - it is unacceptable to apply pheon cost
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Not even remotely true.
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That’s a you problem.
It’s pretty true actually, I have thousands of bound mats I can’t give to my alt. No reason toi do that.
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I’m goona be brutally honest -
If you’ve spent all your Pheons you’ve gotten for free somehow, you’re doing something wrong.
Bruh fr, where the bankshare. 