Possible reason for removing the Summoner from NA/EU launch

At least Yoon provided A source and some kind of proof, you gave nothing else but your assumptions and personal views.

Unless you prove us wrong with some kind of data that Sorceress is more popular than Summoner, please stop spreading miss information.

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Finally, I found the video on my history, unfortunately, is in the Portuguese Brazil language, I set the timestamp of the start of talking about summoner rework and losing popularity.

I will not translate for you guys, go do your thing and prove I am wrong.

The Youtuber in this video, speaks English too, you can see them talk to people at the party and discord in English, but because the channel is a Brazilian channel, he speaks more Portuguese, because of their audience, goes ask him on YouTube about the loss of popularity in KR.

I haven’t gotten into PvE in this game at all but I’ve heard that Summoner is a very popular class for PvE progression because pets will passively damage the boss while the player focuses on dodging stuff.

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Why should I prove that you are wrong? I am not going to spend a single minute doing that.

now my prove is there, anything else?

How does posting a video of someone else giving their opinion (without any numbers either) prove anything? You are saying that no one is playing summoner but you are not providing any numbers at all. Yoon posted actual numbers with the source being loawa.com. Are you suggesting those numbers are not real or are you of the new people in society that state things as fact without any evidence whatsoever?

My 2 cents on this matter is that AGS is too busy censoring the game and dyeing NPCs so they couldnt fix any bugged pets the summoner class might had?

Censorship, woke and a dead game asap > all?

/sarcasm

Well, you were stating that the summoner popularity since season 2 on KR servers is close to nonexistent. Afaik, that is simply not true. As a matter of fact at the beginning of season 2 summoner was so overtuned that it was nerfed (Saintone also states this in an interview with Stoopz). Lots of people rerolled summoner in that period.

Btw, a new gear tier is also a perfect time for rerolling. You don‘t need to stay with your main forever.

I follow a lot of korean streamers on twitch and from my point of view summoners are top tier dps atm even post nerf.

Maybe (most probably) the summoners popularity was decreasing at some point of time. No one is arguing that. But you talk of nonexistent popularity. Those are strong words you pick… and they draw a picture which may be misleading for people reading your posts being far away from reality.

As I said before, the summoner has lost popularity, and your screenshot is proving I am right, the tendentious screenshot before from @Yoon just proves what I said, older class is easy to get high-level lost gear, and be used in and game, in @Yoon screenshot summoner was higher close to the top, because this I said in that particular gear score is normal, and your screenshot now proves I am writing about the popularity of the sorceress is much higher than summoner, ty.

I never said because sorceress was new cannot be in high rank, we were discussing 1500+ gear score, that why I ask lower gear score comparing, and you did. ty, this just proves, the sorceress is catching up even though is almost 3 years now, and as I said before, this proves the preference of a full DPS class instead of a summoner.

On lower ilvl sorc is more popular than summoner, agreed. However, summoners popularity is not close to being nonexistent. Especially in higher ilvl ranges (I posted the highest ilvl, aka endgame content).

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I am watching SYWO steam now, I am out of here now.

It’s not irregular for a new, strong class to be more popular than a launch class after how ever many years the game has been out so far in KR. I don’t think the KR data on this subject is relevant for new regions. Every class is new for new players.

A classic spellcaster is unique but so is the only pet class.

AGS said they swapped Sorc for SMN because they felt like it. People are asking for the “real reason” but I think that’s literally it.

I agree but that’s how it is. It’s clear both in how they act and what they’ve said that they’re going to be making changes without our input because “insert PR reason” (they feel like it). This forum exists as a place for players to vent frustration and nothing more. Feedback is pointless when changes are set in stone before they’re even implemented.

We’re getting some corporate blame game going now. Let’s see what the answer is for this one.

Despite popular class variants, pvp issues or future updates it’s undeniable that summoner is one of the classes players have the most fun and I think taking it off launch is a loss for those who love the class (like me) . I had a lot of fun in the RU with her.

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Btw if it’ s a problem of popularity. Why will we get 4 hunter classes (even when hawk eye and devil hunter are the less popular in the list) and only 2 classes for the mages?
That’s not ok if we consider that the bard is a support so we have only 1 way to be a pure dps

Probably.
As all summoner mains i still pissed by this nosense choice :joy:

So is summoner planed to come out soon or? Does anyone know?

Me and a friend of mine are planning to try the game, but he however only plays summoners in every game. So I am just here searching for some info.

i wonder if You played it or even saw gameplay of this?
You indeed have 2 pets + flower “turret” as summons, You can use it or not although they do constant dmg with low maintance esspecially in pvp and heavy movement fights.
While your identity skills dont summon anything beside animation of different creatures dealing instant AOE DMG within different areas depending which one You chose :wink:
Just saying :slight_smile:

ah yea there is one summon from identity god damn i forget about it :stuck_out_tongue:

Can they combine summoner + reaper and give us a proper necromancer class…? :wink: