If I raid on a Tue I don’t look that much at the ilv because I also just want through the raid/s.
yes, I know I know I am not someone that should be first option. All I am saying is that if i keep pushing alts to 1430 this will keep happening if I do not
- You are at entry lvl; — spend even more to level up
- you have 3x3 engraving;
- you have a purple and no relic stone; – these 2 spend even more on pheons and accesories
- seems you are using oreha/argos set. – can’t do anything about this for weeks
With all these requirements (gold for leveling them up even more, accesories, pheons for each alt) it just makes me think if it is really the best thing to do first, with all those expenses there is no way I will have time to save for Kukul Saydon for 2 gold engravings and x5 accesories which is around 300k or more.
Engraving books are the play right now imo and its futureproof. Work towards 1 legendary engraving that most/all of your alts can use. That’s probably grudge.
And you my sir is what is wrong with the community. Way way too much gate keeping.
Push alts to genenrate more gold. A 1400 to 1415 should be cheap, going to 1430+ may need a rebuild which involve pheons and right now pheons cost a lot (Buying accessories, stones) cause people are not gonna take you in for Vykas if ur alt not 4x3.
Set the amount of gold u want to keep it in the bank, like for this week u want to push an alt spending 15 to 30k gold, you still have 20k to do whatever you want during the rested days before weekly reset.
So 6x vykas Hard with additional gold/mats/fused leaps/ better bid drops is not worth?
Is your main 1460? If yes, push each alt to 1445, and if you really enjoy them, you can slowly push each one to 1460 for relic gear. That way you won’t be forced into playing clown on release at the cost of losing gold at 1475 since you won’t have 5x3 by then anyways. However with this roster, you will be able to do clown with 1- 1 1/2 months in and have a solid weekly gold income.
I was able to do this on 4 characters that I like completely f2p, although I do spend quite a lot of time on the game. Really up to how much time investment since as you invest in more gold, you will need to invest in more time to make the gold investment worth.
Don’t know about buying legendary books… but yeah I’m fine with pheons 
fixed that problem when blue crystals were 250-450g
Because they are weekly. The ROI will be insane. The only reason you might want to roll 1460 is if you have static that either do weekly Vykas hard or bus Argos and Valtan normal.
1445 Chaos Dungeons opens access to a relic accessory which you want more rolls off if you are truly playing budget/f2p. So you can transition your alts.
Now if you are talking about bound mats mainly GHL’s it is not bad to chase 1460 with alts (even not doing Vykas hard mode. Since the current price of guardian and even destruction stones are dirt cheap.
1415
- More gold,
- Leg/relic accessories,
- Farming Demon beast bone from valtan if you ever want to switch mains and get high quality relic
- Most people that stay at 1415-1430 are ALTs, so it might be easier for you to clear valtan.
- You’ll have less problems joining an Argos group.
- Deskaluka is easy AF.
Its better have 5 alters parked at 1430 and the main on 1475+
The “only” reason you want to park your 1430 for long periods of time… is either to acquire enough bound honing mats (mainly GHL) for 1445 or enough Vykas and Valtan materials for relic gear.
The relic gear and accessories access for Chaos Dungeons @ 1445 is huge as FTP/Budget dream.
Gonna be honest, only time I’m ever over 10k gold is when I’m specifically trying to buy accessories lmao.
well if you plan on doing clown raid you’ll need to be at least 5x3 or parties wont accept you, and prob 1490+ as well so you would be over ilvl
if you dont plan on doing clown on release and your main is 4x3 then you’re fine and should up your alts so you have more gold income per week which will pay off in the long run
On the contrary. It’s the best park spot available. Upgrade costs next to nothing, assuming you have all GHLs necessary. It takes me 2h a week to get Orehas/Argos cleared on 4 alts ( swapping mains for a mutual boost with friends ). Nearly 20k pure gold, fast and easy with no time/gold investment.
I don’t know your situation of not pushing alts to 1415 but in my opinion, it is a big loss to hover at 1400.
Access to higher-value tripods starts at 1415. (no more purple drops Access to higher frequency of +3 and +4)
Chance for Relic Accessories with your alts
Access to Valtan
Since the start of Vykas we are getting timed events with Metallurgy/Tailoring and that pushes alts all the way to 1415. The Punika pass itself is 20%. If you are not fully utilizing the value of these event books then you are missing out.
Why would I bother with Valtan for the same money? What do I need tripods for? It’s an alt - existing to make money ONLY. I made a post with hard numbers - 0 investment/2h a week/ nearly 20k weekly income. If you came with a better idea, sure give me numbers to compare. ‘in my opinion’ is nowhere better than ‘trust me bro’.
And please, spare me with ‘you may drop bis accessory and sell it for millions’. I’d also might get orange gold bar every time I trade una tokens for chests, but I never did.
My main is already 1505 as a f2p and pushing further is a total waste of gold, so i will be pushing my alts to 1472.5 as then i can do duo argos buses and 4 man hard valtan buses for additional income+ i don’t have to do clown at that item level. ( 1460-1472.5 and 1475-1487.5 income is literally the same but you MUST do clown for it to actually be the same and clown will be a absolute pain to do with pugs especially in first 2-3 weeks). It’s also really important to have as many alts as possible at 1490 because brelshaza mats are going to be worth a lot of $$$. So even if you are not into busing then pushing some alts to 1490 is not a bad idea.
I don’t know what solid number you want. I gave you concepts why you want to push your alts off 1400. 10% Event Books and they haul in bound mats primarily GHLs and the cost of Destruction and Guardian stones is cheap. I dont know what figures you want.
Again from my experience you want your alts to progress as a much as possible to have more access to gold, honing mats etc all the way to 1500+. Settling to 1400 when you are actually farming bound mats primarily GHLs and not utilizing them with your progression is hampering it.
When you see the amount of gold necessary to tap the next gear progression. You will need a lot of Argos…
I get your idea, sure but honing is costly stuff to do, especially if you plan to push your alts way higher than 1415. You also have to gear them up and the higher they get the longer it takes for your investment to return. My way is cheap as hell, so I get my bonus gold in week one. And since it’s a flat gold, my income is easy to estimate. No matter if that’s Brelshaza or Akkan, I always get my 19k gold.
And those guys trying to push their alts to 1490 presumably spending 200k gold on it, well they probably stop playing before that investment starts to pay up…
tl:dr as far as I’m concerned this is the best cost / time / profit value unless somebody proofs me otherwise.
if u sit Alts at 1400 u have 2000 gold from Oreha and maybe 2400 from a p3 Argos not really no fucking one wants 1400gs. if u hit 1415 u lose Oreha gain 2400 from Argos and try to join a normal Valtan and get another 2000 gold not really there are no more normal Valtan runs it’s like finding a unicorn hit 1430 same as 1415 u ether go for 1415 or 1445 no in between. I feel stuck not being able to make the most gold to be able to progress at a steady pace with main and Alts.