I think this line of thinking is why people tend to be opposed to things like this. But this isn’t how game dev works, there’s different departments/teams working on different things. Sometimes even multiple teams per section (eg. skins)
No one would be taking anything away from you, please, get that through your head.
To simplify, skins are one team, classes are team two. Now, these two teams are kind of intertwined since they need to work with same models etc. Thus it’s possible that one team delays another slightly (can’t make skins for a class that’s not ready yet etc).
Whichever devs are working on the rapport system and qol’s have nothing to do with class/skin teams. At most it includes skins team making max rep skins for npcs down the line and it’s something that they already have allocated space/time for.
It does not affect our releases at all, and it won’t until idk, 2, 3 years down the line when (hypothetically) Thirain gets a new NPC skin instead of Nia or whoever you personally want to.
But adding a glorified skip/decline hurts no one ever.
You’re absolutely right. What I am asking for would likely be given to the quest designers and/or story team. Probably the localization team? I don’t know how they structure their staff. But the art team and class designers shouldn’t be involved at all and free to work on all the things they would normally be working on. I can’t see any reason why adding a few dialogue options would have any impact on the release of new classes or skins.
Basically, to summarize, OP is asking for the rapport design to be dynamic based on the choice of dialogue the player chooses. Not everyone likes to be forced into being the center of attention by every female NPC. It is a good suggestion and I hope they do think about it because it’ll make daily rapport pretty exciting rather than what it is currently.
You know what’s odd? I just skimmed through the entire “Hide ship skin option” topic and I didn’t see a single person posting that it’s a waste of resources. No one was upset that this feature wasn’t in the Korean version of the game so it shouldn’t be in ours. No one was telling the people in there they shouldn’t care about ship appearance (which is essentially a roleplaying feature). How strange.
I applaud you for bringing up a very controversial subject in the gaming world for decades!
I’m a female gamer who had been gaming since… uh… video games began to become popular in those video arcades. I was born to a poor family, so, I didn’t own those gaming consoles back in the day… and no common folk owned computers at the time, like nowadays. I had to save my allowance (sometimes skipping meals at school) for a few hours of gaming at the arcade every other month or so haha!
Yes, I’m old. Now, I play games with my sons and daughter (they’re all grown up by the way, except my daughter who is still in High School). But, one thing I noticed is that most games cater primarily to male players after all these years. Many argue that it’s because most gamers are male. I accepted that reasoning for decades. It is improving, I tell ya! But, the gaming industry still has a long way to go. Will the game developers ever care about the female gamers without a sneer or snide remarks from those who doesn’t care? I think society, in general, will take a while in accepting change when it comes to that. Differences in opinions are great. However, I feel that after decades of hearing different arguments, many still ignore the fact that gamers are becoming more diverse.
Nonetheless, I hope someday people will open their minds and allow feedback, even coming from the minority of players—without a sneer or snide remark. This is under the forum’s Game Feedback, after all. We are allowed to provide feedback, aren’t we? Again, I applaud your courage to speak up, knowing that you will receive contempt from others who don’t agree with you.
It’s the darndest thing. I remember when games almost exclusively had male protagonists, so is it any surprise that boys were playing them more? Then they would look at the data and say “Well, I don’t see a lot of girls playing video games so I guess this is a boy’s hobby.” Metroid had to sneak in a female protagonist because the idea at the time was so novel. They left that part of the market untapped for so long. My brother and I have been playing video games since we were toddlers but my sister didn’t get into it until she was a teenager because it took them that long to start making games that appeal to her.
These days I don’t know many women or girls who aren’t playing games in some form because the industry has gotten so much more inclusive. It should have always been this way (well we still have a long way to go but you get what I mean). And when I see games like Lost Ark do things like misgender all players as male in dialogue and assume all players are attracted to women, I just see them falling into the same mistake of alienating potential fans.
I started playing SWG when it came out mainly because I liked Star Wars and then I went to SWTOR and played a little wow but then you still have these “guys” that do not believe a lady can play a video game. It is kind of funny since I met my boyfriend on SWG and we been together since but yet according to some guys ladies don’t play video game. Interesting…
“We need diversity in the game, every opinion matters, but no women oriented story/characters, no support for different beliefs/ideas, no consideration for the races other than a select few, no varieties in human emotions, no sexual choices, no funny/casual aspects, no content outside the selected age range. Overall very diverse game is what we are bringing.” - Any company these days.
I had a final thought on the subject. Our version of the game is already different than the others. We’ve had several changes nobody on the forums even asked for or expected like different faces and hair and of course the dark blue skin demon form. We’re well past the “leave my pure Korean version alone”, yeah? Our version of the game does care about what people think. Why don’t we use that power for good, then? This could be a chance to get a change(addition) to the game that appeals to a broader audience just like intended with their other changes.
Who could argue against more options? As long as it’s not taking away something like the other changes did.
I’m fine with platonic options as long as we can still keep romance options.
After all, what kind of weirdo would prefer to partake in purely platonic relationships in a fantasy game?
You are asking them to change, change would imply that something has changes, adding things is also the process of change.
“Furthermore, let’s not forget that this hypothetical “clearly gay focused game” doesn’t actually exist.”
Yes that is what a hypothetical is, no one thought it was real, and nothing in my comment assumed either.
I know exactly what you are asking and my comment should have made that clear, I’m sorry if it was not clear though.
I stated that if it were to take time away from these things should be in the game already, then I’m not in support. Maybe I should have said “for now” to make it clear. I don’t think anything in my post said I was fully opposed to this suggestion. Merely a take on explaining why the other person made a perfectly ok point that made perfect sense in this context. As long as giving you an “out” to avoid such aspects of the game you do not enjoy, such as myself. I do know how devs work etc, as they have made those talking points for years when it comes to on disk dlc etc.
Simply put, I have no beef with you as long as it doesn’t impact other aspects of game dev time for more (personally such as your own ideal) important things.
Have a good one
I completely agree with this. Im straight woman who plays female character and its creeping me out that every single girl in game flirts with me while men treat me as a bro. My heart sinks every single time Im asked to find a woman for Thirain while I also have to keep pressing G to skip stuff with every woman I rapport for adventure tome or for rewards just to get it over with because Im just not interested in seeing them flirt with me -.- or call me Lord, and that’s not what we should settle with, we should enjoy those stuff so god, give us option to flirt with men and keep women as a friend. Cause bro Im seriously jealous when Im asked to find a bride for Thirain while I hold my breath and jump when he says between the lines that Im the one during friendly 3 (but then again women just straight up say they love you while u have to look for it with him)
The whole game treats you as a man even tho u play female char. Punika was honestly the last bit for me as even the main quest throws you into a love relationship with Shana (maybe Nia if u choose to dance with her, idk) and that there was no fcking option to say I’m not into her or that I love someone else was pissing me off. There should be an option as with the titles to choose if u want to be addressed as a female or male and same with rapport. Because as stated multiple times, straight women and gay men dont want to be in this position (same as straight men or lesbians dont want to flirt with men - why should only you enjoy this part of the game while we have to skip it). Just imagine if it was the other way around and u wouldn’t be so eager to play this game either, so stop belittling us. I still enjoy playing it but that I have to deal with this and can’t enjoy the rapport system (just pretty much do it for rewards and turn off my brain during the conversations) is really pissing me off.
There should just be an option, that’s all I want. Also hearing that Thirain gets Affectionate is pleasing me deeply and can’t wait for it. Im already building a love shack in my stronghold just for him lol
I guess some people feel ‘adding’ will ‘change’ or ‘remove’ the current game experience. This could be due to what AGS have done with the game (I think some people deem it as westernizing a Korean game?). People wants the KR experience, and anyone giving feedback not related to their wants/desire on a feedback forum may be deem against them? That their frustration went unheard but someone else’s unrelated feedback was taken into consideration instead? Or ungrateful for wanting the game to appeal to wider audience? I don’t know.
Theres also the assumption that ‘changing’ something will take away dev time from the things they want (e.g., classes not yet available in NA/EU), delaying it’s releases. I don’t know whether this is true, or how AGS/SG works, but this game have both horizontal and vertical content. With that, the devs should know how to plan their own game development with all these diverse type of content they want players to experience. And if content gets delayed because of another aspect of the game, well, it just means their planning game fell through.
Perhaps, but then why aren’t they opposing all topics that want to add something then? I don’t see these people in the “Hide ship skin option” thread complaining about that not being the Korean experience and taking away dev time.
Don’t get me wrong, I love the idea to hide ship skins and I want that feature too, but what they are asking for isn’t so different from what we are asking for. It’s an option that you can choose not to use that changes nothing of the game experience unless you want it to.
It doesn’t ring as a sincere reason to oppose my suggestion when they aren’t applying it to everything.
I actually haven’t read that discussion. Maybe I’ll pop in later to see what’s it about.
But yeah, as someone who like having options (e.g. to romance or to stay friends) in games like bioware games and persona, some of the opposing opinions are, um, seems not easily understood by me. Is the game’s slow pace of update really triggering people when people give feedbacks for added features to the game? I surely hope not.
would you feel the same if the game had 90% gay thirains throwing themselves at you everytime you talk to them and dancing with their bulges and pecs zoomed in on your screen to the revelry row soundtrack for 3 min straight? that’s pretty much what you get with the sasha rapport storyline you have to admit if the roles were reversed a lot of people would be out here complaining bc the rapport storylines are absolutely ridiculous and this is coming from a bi woman who actually thinks sasha is cute. the rapport storylines are way too sexual and a bit cringe, it would be a welcome change to have an option to friendzone the character which is basically just a different line of text that doesn’t show you the sexy dance cutscene but says something like “thanks for being such a good friend” …
