I’m pretty sure the majority of players just want the original game as is with none of Amazon’s “improvements”
The “no thank you” is mash G through dialog and hit ESC during cut scenes.
in the meantime in KR people asked for affectionate rank with Thirain and lo and behold they’re adding it. so why exactly can’t we ask for the same thing to be added here? rapport with male characters should be a choice we have, no one is asking to remove the already existing options just to add more. you seem to forget women also play this game? and regardless of your sentiment towards minorities i think you’re forgetting about 50% of the population
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Imagine there is this strip club. It’s not really my vibe but my friends want to check it out, and they ask me to go with them. It’s been harder and harder to find clubs we all like lately, so I agree to go with them because they like it, and I know I could never convince them to go to a club that suits me better. It turns out, the club is actually not that bad, but there is a rule where all the dancers, who are all female, have to give all the customers a lap dance no matter what. I’m not there for the lap dance. I don’t want the lap dance, but I am not allowed to refuse it.
This imaginary club has a suggestion box. So I go to the suggestion box and write a comment that I think the lap dance should only be for the customers that actually want it and people should be allowed to say no.
Then imagine someone standing at the suggestion box saying “Well excuse me your majesty. I didn’t know this club was built for you specifically.” That clueless person is you.
I don’t know why the hell anyone would be opposed to an opt out option. It literally changes nothing for you, and you are against it because you don’t want to see any changes to the game unless it’s something you want. So tell me, who is the one here who thinks the world revolves around them?
For goodness sake I am not even asking for male strippers. Nothing changes for you at all. The only reason people have for being against this is selfishness and a bizarre reverence for the Korean version like it’s some kind of holy text.
And for those of you who can’t follow metaphors, the reason I don’t just leave is because I am playing this game with friends and this is currently the only game we play together. But I shouldn’t have to leave because I really am not asking for much. This is basic stuff that should have been implemented from the beginning. It’s an mmorpg, not a dating sim.
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So, you are telling me that the 50% of the population of this game are women? Sorry, I don’t believe that. Besides I’m not against adding more options in any aspect of the game, the problem is that amazon is not adding options, they are cuting and censoring stuff just to “westernize” the game.
…so you’re going to a strip club your friends like due to peer pressure, even though it’s not your vibe, so the strip club should change to suit you.
You’re ignoring the fact that you CAN just ignore raport NPCs for the most part… aka if you don’t talk to strippers they won’t give you a lap dance. Yet you choose to interact with them.
Seems to me like the clueless person is you. You can avoid the strip club, or you can not interact with the strippers, both of which would need no effort on anyone’s part. Instead of that, however, you choose to be a Karen and cry to management and try to pressure them into a adding a new policy to suit you, even though it was known beforehand that this specific club has these specific policies.
I’m not opposed to having that “platonic option” exist, the entitlement that allows that demand to happen in a game that is known for not having that is what irks me.
It’s a game developed for years, and it has been constantly evolving. It has a certain path it follows. Diverting resources from meaningful additions or fixes, just to pander to each and every person yelling me me me, does affect everyone in the long run.
Also, it’s just a G simulator, should you REALLY care that much about something that doesn’t affect you in any meaningful way?
Wasting time to fix things that aren’t broken just to pander to a small percentage of people does affect everyone.
This thing that many of us don’t even care about doesn’t hinder your ability to play. It does not need to be fixed just so you can feel better.
I tend to agree with you on this, but it’s just simply not how it was done. No point in crying about it now, since we know what it is and we knew what we were getting into, the game was designed in a specific way, people liked it that way, and now you wanna go back on that retroactively.
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I’m not being a Karen. In my metaphor I am leaving a comment on a comment card, not asking the manager to come change everything right away.
Dude, this is a feedback forum. Should I not be leaving feedback that I think will improve the game? Is that not the reason for this forum’s existence?
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I’m sorry childish homophobes attacked your thread. You have a reasonable complaint that should be discussed. The ugliness in this thread honestly disgusts me, we truly play with some awful human beings.
We should have more options, I’d personally like to just turn off any romance at all because I don’t care about any of the NPCs. I think Thirain only has eyes for Armen which is why he rejects all of us. 
I just want his gold though.
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Of course you can give your feedback freely. But since this is a public forum, you’re bound to get replies and a certain amount of pushback. Feedback/suggestions can also be given via tickets and that way you don’t get replies.
After all, the point of these forums is to have discussions.
If the general consensus would be to spend resources modifying said interactions, then that might happen. If there’s no general consensus on a specific change, then it’s not that likely to be changed.
I for one would much rather have them look at more important stuff instead of how g simulators behave. I want the missing content, I want the missing classes. In my view, if the devs stopped working on that just to rework dozens of dialogues/animations/interactions to add a platonic interaction, I think that would be a shame, as it would push back important matters that the entire community wants
So let’s discuss and leave vitriolic comments like “the world doesn’t revolve around you” at the door, okay? That’s not good for conversation. All that does is vilify me.
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I mean… Yes, that is mean, but I’ve stated and backed my opinion with arguments that I think are relevant. The vitriolic comment is just a bit of extra spiciness, just like your “That clueless person is you.”
I do think that “the world doesn’t revolve around you” is a pretty accurate(although mean) statement to suggest that a change might not be worth doing for a small part of the user base and they shouldn’t expect said change.
I’m probably just mean because I’m so tired of the same thing(different subjects but same idea): people ask for a change for something that affects them or a small minority of people, in a small or negligible manner gameplay-wise, when there really are serious matters that need to be looked at(we don’t even have a roadmap, I’d hate to have it delayed again because they’re thinking of adding something so minor to it). A vocal minority so to speak.
Of course, that raises the argument that maybe it means more to you(or other people asking for time consuming changes for working systems) and it’s not negligible. That’s a subjective thing, so I’m just calling it how I see it. While I don’t think it should, this CAN mean alot to you, and that’s fine. But I’m gonna call you out on it xD
I’ve said the same kind of thing in topics about things like I want x skins removed, I want support for XX:YY screen resolutions, I want an option to disable gore in the game, all things that a few pople might find important, all things that most people don’t, and all of them things that would take time to do.
This is not negativity specifically targeting you, or your specific idea.
I’m a heterosexual female, playing a female in-game, and I can only reach affection level with females.
Although I suppose that’s appealing to the heterosexual male, and since girls don’t play games…?
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To answer your question with a different approach.
Shonen anime is aimed at a young, male audience and usually aims to be adventurous and energetic. Shojo anime is aimed at a young female audience and they usually include themes of romance and friendship. Both include fan service. Which target audience do you believe is larger?
Lost Ark is a Korean game with heavy spending mechanics. The target audience are males. Open your google store or apple app store type any gacha game, or search for the ones with the most revenue. Nearly all of them have a focus on a female cast, female heroes. Lost Ark is in a lot of ways like a gacha game with good gameplay added to it. The core combat is fun.
But don’t expect a full RPG story here, or that now for our western version simply all content will be adapted in the sense of role-playing diversity. That will not happen.
I do not like shooter gameplay for example, do i go into the Call of Duty Forums and complain about the lack of melee combat? No im not doing that. Do i go into the Horizon Zero Dawn Forums and complain about the lack of a male main character? No i do not. (BTW game is amazing, i like to play the characters and enjoy a good story!)
We all need to understand that it is a business and of course they try to satisfy as many players as possible. But not every game is for everyone and not every developer and artist should feel compelled to please everyone.
The idea that my demographic is smaller, so therefor our play experience is less important is the very definition of privilege, a word that triggers so many people so I try not to throw it around, but since this very idea has been brought up so many times I really feel like it needs to be said. There is a reason there are laws in the US that disallow people voting on minority rights (not that it stopped people from voting on marriage laws). It’s because minorities don’t have power. Do you know how much it sucks to be treated like you don’t matter? Maybe changes like the one I am suggesting is not the economic thing to do, but it is the right thing to do. There is something to be said about that. But also, it probably is the economic thing to do because broadening the game appeal, including making things more LGBT friendly, is actually pretty damn profitable in the West.
And to address an earlier comment you made, I can’t opt out of the Rapport system. There are way too many important rewards locked behind the Rapport system, including stats potions, skill points potions, giant’s hearts, island souls, materpieces, cooking ingredients, Igneas tokens, currency, and more. It would be a severe detriment to my character progression to just not do something as essential as Rapport.
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I like your feedback, on more than just the stance of your sexual orientation.
I want these rewards, but what if I don’t want to romance everyone? I just want to be best friends.
I doubt this game, as old as it is, will change, but I suppose as feedback for the future, options in relationship status should be mandatory.
It’s also hilarious, because outside of the gifts they give you, relationships with them are basically meaningless. I doubt many of us will be going back to them after we get what we want from them. Which, actually sounds awful, LOL.
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Who asked, who cares? Looks like you waste time posting on something totally pointless. I personally give 0 F about rapport npcs outside rewards, and any “censoring” in the game. I play to beat down hard content, not whine about something ,that has 0 effect and change to my gameplay. Idk, why it’s even in feedback.
if you want some waifu/manwu there are other games that focus on that.
Also, most games have majority of men playing them, so it’s catered to that more. Wich i think is dumb, but i get it, in business sense and i think catering to men,women,gay and trans(non fake trans) would be overall positive to a game. As long as there wont be any non binary,outrage culture, forced diversity and other garbage that is fueled by NA outrage culture.
So, i know what you mean, but i also don’t get why you would post it, when the answer is obvious.
I can understand you, my wife is a really good gamer in a lot of areas a lot better than me. She also would like to have more diversity and such things. She is aslo a big roleplayer and likes to get into an immersive world.
But to explain something. Lets say you are a Fast food restaurant and your target audience are children from 7-10. What do you think will sell more Pizza and Pasta or your Mix of vegetables casserole? The answer is simple and the same Process comes into play with games.
You have your main market, you have to satisfy it to make the game a profit. Lost Ark comes from a Korean market where a lot of players spend thousands of dollars on their waifus. Just take a look at how much is spent in Gacha Games.
I feel like you’re trying to guilt me into agreeing with you with this sob story. This game is a business. The very fact that you and me get to play it is a privilege. This isn’t some life or death situation, it’s a game.
None of us know or care about your identity/sexuality/nationality, and these things should remain in the realm of reality, where they matter, alot, not be brought into games just to muddy the waters
At least we can agree on that, so you see where my opinion comes from
It’s the right thing to do… from your perspective. It’s wasn’t the right thing to do for the game designers that clearly didn’t design these interactions that way… and we’re playing their game, not mine or yours
For some things, yes. Being more LGBT friendly can be a good thing(though typically the word niche exists for a reason). For some other things, such as a virtual world that has absolutely no way of tracing back to you, or anything to do with one’s sexuality, no, there’s no point in wasting time to make it pander to a specific comunity unless that’s your target demographic
Also, when you have 20k strength, that 5 extra strength you get from a rapport NPC or that 20 extra vitality you get in a continent is not a “severe” change by any stretch of the imagination. Skill points are always welcome, sure… but the kit is pretty close to perfect even if you have a skill to level 1 and focus on the rest.
You can clear the content without those things, it’s really not an argument
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Oh yeah, no, I totally get it. I was just kind of poking fun at their heterosexual comment. They didn’t specify male, so I thought I’d make a joke. Heterosexual only if male, if heterosexual female, you are now lesbian in game. lol
It doesn’t really bother me. I’ve been playing video games for such a long time; it’s been male-dominated from the start. As a female, I do actually enjoy that these women are beautiful and strong AF. I’ll take it.
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You don’t agree that the morally right thing to do would be to not lock major content progression (I think you are severely downplaying the Rapport rewards) behind sexual situations that may not be welcome? You don’t think the right thing to do, from a moral standpoint, not a business one, would be to give players agency in what kind of sexual situations their character that they made as their avatar enters into? Sometimes the sexual situations happen with absolutely no lead up, so it’s not like I know how to avoid them aside from opting out from participating in one of the game’s core systems.
I’m not even asking to be treated like an equal, and still that is asking for too much.
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