Remove measures that only harm real players

A while ago we got 2 mesures aimed at making the market/auction house work when these were unusable. These 2 mesures are indeed the famous 10s delay between purchases and the 20 limit on listings each day for your whole roster. Both of these mesures only harm real players and not bots, and here’s why:

Let’s start with the 10s delay. There are multiple items that are usually bought in bulk like ability stones, honing items which include armor/weapon stones, leapstones, shard pouches, solars or trade skills items like fish to craft fusion mats. Whenever a REAL player wants to buy any of the above items there are multiple scenarios that can happen:
1) There are multiple price tags for the same item, so the game gives you a fraction of the items that you want to buy.
2) You need more items than what you can buy at once. This happens a lot with armor stones and trade skill accessories. You can only buy 9990 armor stones or 900 fish at a time.
3) You want to buy something but someone else is faster, so the price has rose up and you ended up with a null purchase. So you get this:
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And when you retry you have to wait 10 seconds or else:
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What happens in every single one of these scenarios? You are forced to wait 10 seconds and then try again, even in the case where you haven’t bought anything. You are now stuck in this time wasting loop until you can get the desired amount that in the past would have taken you 5 seconds.

Regarding the 20 limit on listings, who does it affect more? Of course it affects more bigger rosters since the limit is roster-wide. Who happens to have big rosters? Real players. If you have a standard 6 character roster, you can do your dailies, say you get 2 good tripods + 1 ability stone on each character, which isn’t weird at all. You now have used 90% of your daily listings. If you decide to list anything else like unsold items from other days, gems that you might not need anymore, honing materials that you have on excess or simply some books that you dropped, well u simply can’t. And if something doesn’t sell for any reason like getting undercut in price, it will carry on to the next day, in which you will have even less listings for new things.

Here is a picture of one of my characters’ gear storage for reference. This are all lvl 5 tripods of useful skills that I simply cannot list due to the 20 item limit.
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As we can see, both of these measures harm real players, meanwhile, do they actually affect bots?
The 10 second delay does not affect bots at all. Bots don’t buy anything from the market since obviously bots are made to obtain gold, and wasting it on things like honing materials would reduce their profit margin. As for the auction-house, bots only buy cheap gems, however, they don’t buy them directly, they instead use the bid option. You can bid up to 100 items on each character (which real player would ever need such a big limit?), and of course, there is no time delay between bids.
Regarding the 20 item listing, it also doesn’t affect bots at all. Bots aren’t high level to access better chaos dungeons, so they mainly list weapon/armor stones (2 listings), alongside gems. Ever since the limit was introduced they just started fusing gems. Here are a couple of screenshots of the gems in the auction house.



As we can see, for all Tier 3 gems, 1472 pages out of 1831 are sorceress gems (around 80% of the gems), the most popular class for botting.
If we filter out lvl 5 or above gems, which are used/sold/bought by real players, we even have a more extreme scenario.


686 pages of lvl 1/2 sorceress gems. 666 pages of lvl 3/4 sorceress gems.


If we don’t filter by class, we get 700 pages of lvl 1/2 gems and 719 pages of lvl 3/4 gems.
This means that on the auction house, 95% of the gems of level 4 or below are sorceress gems, which clearly shows that the 20 item limit is useless against bots, which means it only harms real players.

All in all, amazon or smilegate, please remove these 2 useless measures that are only harming real players and think of something better to combat bots.

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Appreciate how well crafted this feedback is. We are looking at a couple of the more painful bot measures that impact players and evaluating their impact against bots vs their impact on players as we continue to ban bots and get a better handle on the overall situation. No decisions for removals have been made yet, but I wanted to make sure you know its definitely something we are evaluating and will be willing to reevaluate in the future if needed.

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Lets stop right there the term is not harm but minorly inconviniance

yeah its been something we have been saying for months… and you adding a feature to track it means its here to stay… its just so disapointing that we cant catch up older classes with this limit. tripods are just not on the market. and when 1 is its like 25k gold.

Always the fkn same answers, am so tired of this bullshit.

We posted this kind of Feedback since 4 full months now and there is still no removals in sight.

I am out once d4 launches.
Fuck all this bs that hurts real players, which is done either to fight bots or cater to western “norms”
Hello SH demon form.

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I provided this type of Feedback several times myself, not once have I even gotten an answer to all the critical points our version of the game currently has.

I am starting to give up even providing Feedback, what’s the point anyway.
One example Roxx: I asked you on your stream once if the bug with the missing fast travel popup on the worldmap can be fixed.
You said you’re gonna look into it, and if you don’t then I tag you again- which I did.
There was also some other mod who said he will look into it. 2.5 months later still no fkn response about that undocumented change on the january patch.

I am just so sick of it.

No response to this stuff either.

And you wonder why the playerbase keeps shrinking?

Keep going like this and lost ark will be a dead game in a year.
What kind of smartass decided to delay hard brel 4 months after normal, absolute joke.

If I hone my main some more then I will reach 1590 MAX ilvl before that raid even releases.
And that is just from normally playing daily and grinding each week out.

Just look at how many people run around with 1590 brel weapons already ingame, it’s a joke.
1590 isn’t even special anymore.
Regular players are already far over ilvl than what we have currently.
Some of us are already akkan normal ready.
Yet there is not even sight of Elgacia releasing

This years first roadmap was the worst shit ever

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You guys put in effort to remove core stuff from the game like legendary skins.
You will also probably remove sidereal weapons in our version and all the nice lore and cutscenes from it cuz it’s a heavy p2w feature.

But at the same time you leave random card pack bonus deals in the shop each month to milk out players from their money because we already have much less time than KR to get our LoS 30 cardset.

It’s beyond cringe.

People don’t get what they want and ask for on the forums.
We ask for options but you don’t give us those so both parties can be satisfied. No, instead we have to chew down what is served on the table. Eventually everyone is gonna leave that table.
And if you ask what I mean by this is numerous ingame features that got added. Or the option to choose between which SH demon form model we want.
Or the option to turn off keyboard input limit.
Or mari shop value of items always being complete trash compared to ingame economy.
Or no API ever released.
Or the twitch armoury thing never getting updated or fixed to include brel gear/bracelets
Or gifting feature still disabled for us. Fraud my ass. I spent over 2k with no fraud ever and can’t use it.
Nor can I use my gold or skins I bought for 3 days if I want to trade it.
Neither can I list all my tripods cuz this dumbass 20 item limit thing exists that does nothing to bots.
Neither can I buy honing mats or tradeskill mats on the AH without getting frustrated af because there is a 10 second limit between each purchase.
We wanted since release to shorten all those daily chores, yet you haven’t even tried making it better for our version of the game.
It’s too much. People gotten tired of it long ago. When will we get 1 chaos dungeon and 1 guardian raid per day per character? 2 is taking too much time! When will una dailies get reduced to 1?
This game expects us to play atleast 6 chars daily to be efficient enough on the weekly gold income.
I play 10 chars each day and need like 3-4 hours before I can even think off starting my weekly raids. Are you serious?

Why did we not get ebony cube already? It would have been a first step to alleviate all those chores for each character we play. Atleast on the weekly stuff.
When will pheons ever get removed so we can finally enjoy a better ingame market of available gear, or people wanting to enjoy off meta builds or wanting to invest in pvp gear?
Never? Because SG is too greedy and doesn’t wanna lose a decent chunk of their revenue?
Nobody in this game buys offmeta gear or low quality stuff because we are gated by pheons.

When will this pathetic Amethyst shard shop ever get updated? Or more ways for players added who don’t have amazon prime to aquire additional amethyst shards?

There is already a ton of cool mileage skins, pets, emotes, stickers etc missing in our version that KR has.

When will we ever see new emotes ingame?
Last time you told us in december we would see new cool emotes in Lost Ark soon.
THAT WAS 4.5 MONTHS AGO. What happened to that? Why do we not get new mokoko emotes?
Why did we not get all the cool artist emotes with artist release???

You guys legit don’t play your own fkn game that you published from SG.
Or else you would realize much quicker what is wrong with this game and why it keeps shrinking.

You told us since months how hyped you were for artist and that you immediately gonna make one.
One week after release you haven’t even done that yet - if even logged into the game at all.

I am just beyond disappointed.
When Feedback gets heard but ignored.

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I understand AGS point of view on this, but actively reducing the amount of stuff in a player driving market even if it help reduce bots it a trade off we shouldn’t make.

This is a lose/lose situation

PIck and choose.

You say i cant do x,y,z

But there is a reason why you cant do it, they are telling you that as of now, this is the only way they can hurt the bots, by hindering real players too.

Do you want them to remove all the measures and have all the bots rapant back again?

When the community can’t take “no” as an answer.

Like i dont understand. Just because you ask for something doesnt mean it’s gonna happen. When they can make things happen they do what the community wants (release of artist earlier).

its been out in KR in what 2 months? I

The mileage shop in KR is the whale shop. Our version is the Amethyst one, so no we wont be getting free ways of getting Amethyst.

Okey, but out of all the issues in the game you care about Amethyst rewards, and Artist emotes?
They said that SG has some trademark on the emotes, maybe that’s why we cant get em yet.

???

We get a ton of legendary cards from events , etc. KR dsnt get those that frequently.

ALso you can farm those, nobody is focring you to buy stuff from the cashop of a F2P game.

Is this your first online game?

You can ask for things, but you clearly dont know why those things arent coming over, or if waht you are suggesting is feasible.

Making all these assumptions is “beyond cringe” as you say yourself.

out of all the issues you mention you completely ignore all THE QOL we got with this patch (and previous patches).

It’s funny how you only write about the sh!t you want , and not looking at the general picture, when we get lots of QoL very frequently.

10 second rule:
You can’t buy out the entire market of fish, and thus inflate the price, in a matter of seconds. A macro could possibly do this normally, if someone wanted to.

20 item limit:
Someone could buy the entire market of some item, and list everything higher. You will eventually find items that can resell with a profit, with pheon costs negated. I mean it literally happens in every other game with a market that has no limitations like this.

It also protects against snatching bots… You could set up a bot that searched market for underpriced items, to systematically resell them. It’s not possible with an item limit.

Captcha e two factors authentication and stop all the non-sense once and for all

Game can’t go on like this it’s too much

According to his twitch he playing on EUC , go easy on the guys he already stuck on one of the worst region

The community have told AGS/SG about these harmful changes that affects real players more than bots since it got implemented. This feedback will sadly most likely fall into deaf ears once again. We have never seen any anti-bot measures being removed once its implemented fully.

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We had a limit of 20 items per character or so before. So there was a limit before now they just limited whole account to 20. So a f2p player could list 20 items on every free character slots (6x20 if use all free char slots) before.

Dont wait for an answer, its the weekend and this poor company cant hire anyone to work weekends because its too expensive…

like they cant be bothered with giving patch notes at a decent rate and not 5 hours before reset

like they cant be bothered with keeping their word in having better comunication with the players (they said that almost 10 months ago and nothing changed, it only got worse)

like they cant be bothered with fixing and merging their regions despite that we were told that they were working on it almost 7 or 8 months ago, even if some of those regions are ghost towns with only hhhhhh names running around

we only get generic replies from the cms that sound automated
honestly its almost embarrassing how this game is being hadled. almost looks like amateurs are in charge

Great post , they don’y give a **** about players, this game it’s RMT&bot based and designed, no more.

bunch of your answers are so horribly bad that I almost dont even want to reply to you, but gonna do it anyway.


do you even know what type of feedback I am asking about? Do you think anyone gives a shit about artist releasing 1 month earlier or not? Do you think that would have saved the game from dying out? Even if we got all the classes on initial launch?


SO WHAT? In fact we have gotten a bunch of changes in our version already that KR has gotten AFTER us? Do you EVEN KNOW THAT?

SO? Because our shop is set up differently means we also won’t be allowed to get any of the cool mileage rewards KR has? Do you even know that we already got bunch of super rare mileage rewards FOR FREE in our version that KR users had to go to long sessions of PC Caffee’s to?
Also, last time I checked Amazon prime for more amethyst shards, IS NOT FREE. WTF are you even talking about.

1st of all, the creator of the emotes said in an email that we can use them too.
2ndly, why would that prevent us from creating our own emotes even if we can’t/aren’t allowed to use the cool ones KR has? There has been 0 proper updates on when we get a bunch of new emotes, always the same bs answer. While it is not a big deal in the grand scheme , it sure is one of many small things that are annoying.

no we don’t, do you even watch the KR streamers on a regular basis? For the most part we get the same amount. Actually, where is our selection pack for the anniversary? KR always gets one, why didn’t we? So much to that.

because they are simply irrelevant to the core issues the game has on why people are leaving it. Do you think a sorting feature on the card/books so I can filter for demon damage is magically make me wanna play the game forever? Or having stone of chaos no longer clutter up my inventory? At the end of the day its not gonna do shit to keep the playerbase.
Most of these things are stuff that should have been in the game on day 1 already if developers would put any time and common sense into their game they make, because lets be real the book system(card section) was horribly designed and cancerous to look at before.

Same goes for the “QoL” we get that limits us real players how we can play the game because they try and try and try to fight the bots constantly. Nobody wants it, nobody asked for it, and yet they are too lazy to put enough effort into the game that creates thresholds to gradually lift those restrictions for real players that have trusted accounts, spents lots of money on the game or simply just have high roster levels and played for a long time. Nothing, NADA.
But hey, atleast we got a counter on the 20/20 item listing limit now that ISNT EVEN WORKING PROPERLY.

@Somnus are you ok dude? what kind of racist remark is this shit?

im a flipper

i make about 15-30k net profit gold each day
( sometimes only 10 sometimes 300k ) depends on week days and other stuff

i list every day about 17-20 things

i am fine
i did not get harmed in any way from that listing limit alot

same for 10 secs waiting time
this is against automated bot programs

without that 10 secs waiting time
most peopyle wouldnt even able to buy something fast , because programs and flippers like me would buy out everything before “normal” players have the chance to click

with removing this measures , you just would hurt yourself

and people who are not able to make gold with 20 listings are just dont know how to make gold with that limit

lots of people think, they have plenty of good things to sell
most of you would be astonished, that this “good items” are worth almost nothing , if everyone could list their junk

dellusional

pls @Roxx let that measures in , im glad that they are there to prevent auto market programs to take over the marketplace like last year

also i think it would help to make an official detailed statement, why we have some of that measures , that players understand why we have them

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i read your reply, but you are so missinformed and so selective on what is actually happening that you have literally no idea what you are talking about.

Tha majority of your responses to what i said was “so what? i want it now”.

:slight_smile:

FYI KR got many of those QoLs in mid-late 2022, when the game launched.

What about all the changes they made to help new players? you talk about players quitting, ive been seeing MANY new players on every legion raid now, even BREL.

Stick to your story though, and complain about emotes, because that’s whats gonna keep the playerbase, not all those changes we recently got (Hyper express ,free hones to 1445, free new player card sets, 4x3 for 3 months, etc.)

yes those changes dont count

I am done replying to you. That is all I am gonna say.
bye

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