Remove PHEONS system NOW!

[Prayerman]

if they really wanted to prevent botting they would remove convenience items, especially those related to gear progression and in-game economy from the cash shop entirely and change the progression system to one without any gambling at all to discourage and drive away the portion of the playerbase that funds the bot industry

[allex7cj]

@Mikihisa

It’s just a well balanced things, and yes pheons sucks, but at the ends it’s just gold…

It can’t be balanced as long as new players always hit a wall that gets bigger and bigger the further we go.

You gotta know this is not sustainable

[kosajk83]

@Mikihisa

WoW and FF14 are not f2p games.

again wont argue about ff14
but for a fact you could play wow for free for last year after setting up 3-4 alts (around 2-3 weeks pear each), with 10-15 mins a day of logging in and out to send followers on a mission

@Mikihisa

I’m just telling you that pheons is an important piece of the board, in Lost Ark. Remove theim and everything collapse. And yes I do believe that pheons is a brillant idea, and no I don’t like having to buy theim whenever I want accessories, still brillant system tho.

no

@Mikihisa

In WoW you don’t buy your gear on the market. You’re stuck until you get it and if you don’t drop it, then I guess you can just gtfo of the guild primary roster because you’ve been unlucky. Because yes WoW doesn’t have p2w aspect, but it still have significant flaw in the gear progression tbh …

im not sure when you tried it but you may be surpriesed what s4 of shadowlands brought to table
not sure if you are intrested in it at all seems like you are to heavy inwested in la anyway but

• you can get mythic raid level gear by doing M+
• gear from M+ can be leveled with resources you get after each run (vallors) which make 1 bis drop on low level last you to verry endgame
• you can upgrade items to sets without touching raids

they gone long way with making it more bussy (canot raid) ppls friendly
if they will keep it up on DF with all changes that are comming it will be hearder than ever to make “wow killer”

@Techtus

Sure you can, and I doubt they care since you’re not going to spend anyway.

they should as im regullar spender where find value for my money tbh
but maybe they have enough whales hooked and dosent really care about my spares, good for their buisnes

@Mikihisa

Just stop comparing WoW or FF14 with Lost Ark, it’s pointless.

im comparing it to competition that i can inwest time and money with better outcome for me so yea

@Mikihisa

Lost Ark is a Korean MMO full of gamble gimmick and gachas. There is a (tiny yet big enough) community of wealthy Koreans that do like it, plus in Korea spending money in video game is a mark of luxuary just like people buy expansive cars or clothes.

good for them i would say

@Mikihisa

So the game is build around that, and it’s clear (to me at least) that Smilegate designed the game so that it is accessible to other players, those who don’t spend a dime, by making so that the wealthy people whaling like no tomorrow actually needs f2p to involve into the economy. It’s just a well balanced things, and yes pheons sucks, but at the ends it’s just gold…

aggre
its balanced to a point check SA region problems

[Mikihisa]

@allex7cj

It can’t be balanced as long as new players always hit a wall that gets bigger and bigger the further we go.

New players gets a bunch of free pheons in the Mokoko challenge rewards, on top of the one they get from events. If you’re a new player in Lost Ark, you get more than enough pheons to get started without having to buy a single one.

If you choose to spend theim all to get a 6-6 legendary ability stone so you can build 4x3 legendary before going into Argos… that’s your problem, not the game’s problem tbh…

[allex7cj]

@Mikihisa

If you choose to spend theim all to get a 6-6 legendary ability stone so you can build 4x3 legendary before going into Argos… that’s your problem, not the game’s problem tbh…

Yea who doesn’t like getting bussed through everything for 3 months until they get a proper roster and enough income to get going.

I really really don’t think you’re this naive

[kosajk83]

@Mikihisa

that’s your problem, not the game’s problem tbh…

players problem will be a game problem sooner or later

[Mikihisa]

Yo you even get a free Grudge now with the new buff thingy for new players, plus you have that Argos gimmick where legendary accessory are guarantee class engravings, and you get a bunch of free engraving books (up to Epic) so that this is not an issue as well.

Are you telling me that you need 4x3 engraving to do Argos and Valtan ? Because spoilers : you don’t. You can just work your way with some home-made 2x3 + some lvl1 and it’s good enough for Argos. Once you get to 1430, then you can consider spending some of your pheons to get a proper relic setup (maybe 4x3+1 for example) that will be more than enough all the way up to Vykas Hard while you work toward building a roster that generate a healthy amount of gold weekly.

You don’t have to buy that many pheons, unless you waste theim or fomo yourself. And at some point if you buy some, it’s just a one time purchase anyway and it’s nothing compare to what you have to spend to get your final 5x3 setup.

[quizzl]

I think there is some validity to Pheons.

eg I have easily over a million of gold available if I sell my pouches. I could easily buyout the market of top tier Spec/Crit KBW/x Necklaces and artificially set the price for this. Pheons do not completely prevent this since I could get Pheons and it might still be worthwhile to do it but they deter it somewhat.

I think the biggest issue with Pheons is that it is a flat tax. It should be based on price. If I sent an item for free to my alt it should be 0 pheons and just take off 1 tradeability.
If I buy a 2k ring it should be 1 pheon maybe.

25 Pheons is absurd and would only be justified for transactions that are over 100k gold.

[allex7cj]

Sorry but it seems amazing to me that you instantly assume that new players:

1. Know how to play the game from the get-go so being undergeared is fine
2. Know how to gear or save/use pheons and other resources properly from the get-go
3. Don’t hit this big wall called Gatekeeping the instant they step up to those raids

I shouldn’t have to say this, but they don’t

But it’s ok, you know, at least most new accounts are secondary/third accounts from already existing players so it at least gives us the illusion that what we are bussing 80% of the time through argos/valtan/vykas are new players.

Edit: Unless they whale it out. F2p or close to it is impossible unless you are the most hardcore no-lifer or unless you were here from the beginning (at most 3 months) like I was

[kosajk83]

@quizzl

eg I have easily over a million of gold available if I sell my pouches. I could easily buyout the market of top tier Spec/Crit KBW/x Necklaces and artificially set the price for this. Pheons do not completely prevent this since I could get Pheons and it might still be worthwhile to do it but they deter it somewhat.

other games dont have that problem somehow
tbh its not that hard to track ppls that would do that, just put it in eula and give 7 days ban for it

its just extra forced revenue for company (from whales but for f2p time value)
nothing more nothing less

• it dosent help with bots
• it dosent help with flippers beside making them somewhat absolete cause company is making flipps with added fixed value to each transaction, which also grow with inflation
• it kills non bis market out there in the process
• also make most of gold from selling, outside of bis of the bis items, go to actuall whale not the one who got “lucky”
• its also taxing inter roster trades not mentioning items that can be traded once

[zarth]

Looks like AGS heard you and removed pheons, enjoy the negative pheons, lol.

[kosajk83]

hehe wanted to remove it from the game not from players pockets
as im not really playing thats good enough tho

[Techtus]

Wow had mandatory 10 eu sub for 15 years. Average player count according to mmo charts about 8m ( more or less depending on DLC ). It gives 8m x 10e x 12 x 15 = 1b 200m euro.
They could as well make wow absolutely free now.

But going back to LA. I’d prefer same 10eu sub instead of pheon system. I’m all about fairness - either everybody has to pay or nobody. Would you like that? I sure do.

[kosajk83]

its not like lost ark is out there for like 5 years already, company make 1,5 bilion $ per year
so bringing up wow in this context is intresting to say the least especially if it made on subs acording to your calculations a litlle bit less in 15+ years (it had 18 years aniversary last week btw)

also for some time already wow tokens can be bought with gold, maybe thats why you calculate 15 years but i think it was ben implemented much earlier than 3 years ago

subjectivley in wow i can do more if i want but i dont have to grind that hard as here,
the grind i also a bit more varied
you can jump in on frequent basis to start on even fot with everyone (every 3-4 months)
and have posibility to just catch up wherever you want basically

while if we count amount of mounts and cosmetic and their quality accesible from just playing the game as mid spender with self set limit of 25-50 euro/month on gaming i can get so much more from the game for so much less spent of both money & time if chose so

i wont even start talking about quality of game or life in game or support to discusion

[Techtus]

Yet you didn’t answer my question. Would you like a mandatory sub? Justice for everybody, no more crying about blue crystals or pheons.

It’s really simple.

You either approve, and I respect you.

If not you’re just another leecher expecting others to pay your bills.

[kosajk83]

@Techtus

Yet you didn’t answer my question. Would you like a mandatory sub? Justice for everybody, no more crying about blue crystals or pheons.

i dont think this game have capacity to ask for subscription
and im sure they make more money from pheons thing taxing most transactions

but answering your question yea 3-5$ per month instead of pheons + adding more cosmetics to actuall game instead of shoop would be in favor of players esspecially if there would be also option to buy game time with farmable in game resources for hard f2p crowd

[Techtus]

my man!

[ricardos_92]

[D-Arkrizer]

if we just devalue it, i think it will be gone from the game.

[ytzyt]

Yeah true, it’s all for the good of players so true. Market is always demand and supply EVEN WITHOUT PHEONS. Not even mentioning everything has trade limit.
Try list your godly accessory for 100000000000k see if anyone buys it.
Maybe then you say pheons is there to prevent flipping? Explain the cost on ability stones then. You don’t understand, but you think you do.