Yo you even get a free Grudge now with the new buff thingy for new players, plus you have that Argos gimmick where legendary accessory are guarantee class engravings, and you get a bunch of free engraving books (up to Epic) so that this is not an issue as well.
Are you telling me that you need 4x3 engraving to do Argos and Valtan ? Because spoilers : you donât. You can just work your way with some home-made 2x3 + some lvl1 and itâs good enough for Argos. Once you get to 1430, then you can consider spending some of your pheons to get a proper relic setup (maybe 4x3+1 for example) that will be more than enough all the way up to Vykas Hard while you work toward building a roster that generate a healthy amount of gold weekly.
You donât have to buy that many pheons, unless you waste theim or fomo yourself. And at some point if you buy some, itâs just a one time purchase anyway and itâs nothing compare to what you have to spend to get your final 5x3 setup.
eg I have easily over a million of gold available if I sell my pouches. I could easily buyout the market of top tier Spec/Crit KBW/x Necklaces and artificially set the price for this. Pheons do not completely prevent this since I could get Pheons and it might still be worthwhile to do it but they deter it somewhat.
I think the biggest issue with Pheons is that it is a flat tax. It should be based on price. If I sent an item for free to my alt it should be 0 pheons and just take off 1 tradeability.
If I buy a 2k ring it should be 1 pheon maybe.
25 Pheons is absurd and would only be justified for transactions that are over 100k gold.
Sorry but it seems amazing to me that you instantly assume that new players:
Know how to play the game from the get-go so being undergeared is fine
Know how to gear or save/use pheons and other resources properly from the get-go
Donât hit this big wall called Gatekeeping the instant they step up to those raids
I shouldnât have to say this, but they donât
But itâs ok, you know, at least most new accounts are secondary/third accounts from already existing players so it at least gives us the illusion that what we are bussing 80% of the time through argos/valtan/vykas are new players.
Edit: Unless they whale it out. F2p or close to it is impossible unless you are the most hardcore no-lifer or unless you were here from the beginning (at most 3 months) like I was
other games dont have that problem somehow
tbh its not that hard to track ppls that would do that, just put it in eula and give 7 days ban for it
its just extra forced revenue for company (from whales but for f2p time value)
nothing more nothing less
it dosent help with bots
it dosent help with flippers beside making them somewhat absolete cause company is making flipps with added fixed value to each transaction, which also grow with inflation
it kills non bis market out there in the process
also make most of gold from selling, outside of bis of the bis items, go to actuall whale not the one who got âluckyâ
its also taxing inter roster trades not mentioning items that can be traded once
Wow had mandatory 10 eu sub for 15 years. Average player count according to mmo charts about 8m ( more or less depending on DLC ). It gives 8m x 10e x 12 x 15 = 1b 200m euro.
They could as well make wow absolutely free now.
But going back to LA. Iâd prefer same 10eu sub instead of pheon system. Iâm all about fairness - either everybody has to pay or nobody. Would you like that? I sure do.
its not like lost ark is out there for like 5 years already, company make 1,5 bilion $ per year
so bringing up wow in this context is intresting to say the least especially if it made on subs acording to your calculations a litlle bit less in 15+ years (it had 18 years aniversary last week btw)
also for some time already wow tokens can be bought with gold, maybe thats why you calculate 15 years but i think it was ben implemented much earlier than 3 years ago
subjectivley in wow i can do more if i want but i dont have to grind that hard as here,
the grind i also a bit more varied
you can jump in on frequent basis to start on even fot with everyone (every 3-4 months)
and have posibility to just catch up wherever you want basically
while if we count amount of mounts and cosmetic and their quality accesible from just playing the game as mid spender with self set limit of 25-50 euro/month on gaming i can get so much more from the game for so much less spent of both money & time if chose so
i wont even start talking about quality of game or life in game or support to discusion
i dont think this game have capacity to ask for subscription
and im sure they make more money from pheons thing taxing most transactions
but answering your question yea 3-5$ per month instead of pheons + adding more cosmetics to actuall game instead of shoop would be in favor of players esspecially if there would be also option to buy game time with farmable in game resources for hard f2p crowd
Yeah true, itâs all for the good of players so true. Market is always demand and supply EVEN WITHOUT PHEONS. Not even mentioning everything has trade limit.
Try list your godly accessory for 100000000000k see if anyone buys it.
Maybe then you say pheons is there to prevent flipping? Explain the cost on ability stones then. You donât understand, but you think you do.
Did mention âflipping marketâ anywhere ? Thatâs next level entitlement here, you basically didnât read my message and made up a nice story about what my message tell (that has nothing to do with the initial message) and answer based on that super story you made up out of your mind.
Interesting.
So in case my message were not clear : Pheons force players to actively involve into RC/Gold exchange place, period. If you remove pheons, everything collapse. You canât do that unless you completetly revamp the system, and it wonât happens.
PS : Iâm not saying that the system is good or bad. It works thatâs for sure. But sometimes it doesnât works (example : SA situation with lack of whales because of non-regionalized price). Iâm just saying that you canât just blindly remove pheons or this system will collapse into a chaos that is way worst that the SA situation.
As I stated, itâs there to milk players. Just like you said there could be better systems and thereâs tons games without such system out there.
What does RC/Gold system do? So for you itâs just forcing players to involve to exchange and this does not count toward revenue eh?
Literally everything on the store. GW2 has the same system its not a horrid mess. wow has the same system with tokens its not a horrid mess.
Remove BC. Have only a RC<â>$$$ exchange allow people to trade, allow people to buy w/e they want from the store via exchange gold for RC omg problem solve. The exchange will adjust itself from demand, but now there isnât this stupid real money tax attach to ingame progression for the ftp player or those trying to be efficient with their gold.
So you are essentially saying McDonalds should offer Fries as a FREE side with the purchase of every meal. This is essentially what Blue Crystals Demand from Pheons is.
People wanted a honing buff, they gave a honing buff where rosters can now essentially earn 3x more gold then before. BC price triples and its a problem. I see nothing but standard economics. When players earnable gold is 3x as much, prices will match that 3x rate. I mean what person would buy 500g for 238 royals when you earn 500g these days by just sneezing.
McD? Honing? Earning gold? literal gibberish I have no idea how any of that has anything to do with what I said. But imagine reading Nothing is free someone is still buying that RC.
Remove Pheons, remove BC
Have the exchange consist of only RC<â>Gold
Now the whole of Lost Ark Shop is available for players to buy from cause of the aforementioned exchange. The exchange will go +/- depending on supply and demand from people buying and selling RC and from people selling gold and buying RC
Nothings free, someone still has to buy RC.
All that shiny cool shit in the store or gold will move RC sales for people.
And now ingame gear and ability stones w/e else no longer has this horrible real money $$$ tax on their progression. Trinkets cost to much? Ability stones cost to much? increase the supply just like they did with engravings with the vendor, either though a vendor or just drops from the raids themselves.
Like come on multi-dollar company. Are these the most incompetent game devs in the world or what. MMOs have been a thing for decades.
