# Scrapper: Cursed Doll vs Increased Mass

So what you are saying is that multiple sources of damage increase are multiplicative with each other ? Like if you have grudge and cursed doll they are multiplicative with each other… so what are the formula then? Base x grudge x raid? Becuse i thought it was base x grudge+ raid like multiple sources of same increase become additive with each other and multiplicative with other sources… i might be wrong and would be very glad if you could provide the exact formula

cursed doll over mass increase any day. Dont matter how big your stat swiftness is that negative 10% attack speed is a huge debuff and if you say you dont see a difference then why are you building swiftness jus for one engravings. The negative from curse doll is not even. Get good This is Base + MI + Adren
3000+(3000 x. 06)+(3000 x .18)= 3720

This is Base + MI + Raid captain
3000+(3000 x .06) = 3180 = base+adren
3180+(3180 x .17) = 3720.6 = (base+adren) x Raid Captain

The Math Above was the original posted by
redsprite000

Now if we apply grudge which is a 20% multiplicative

Base + MI + Adren + Grudge

3000+(3000 x. 06)+(3000 x .18)= 3720
3720*.20 =774 + 3720 = 4464

Base + Adren + Raid + Grudge

3000+(3000 x .06) = 3180 = base+adren
3180+(3180 x .17) = 3720.6 = (base+adren) x Raid Captain
3720.6 X .20 + 3720.6 = 4,464.72 base + Adren x RC x Grudge

Do you see how even though it 18% for MI and raid Captain is also 18, since it multiplicative you end up with a higher total dmg. The thing is ALOT of thing in the game are additive like weapon quality support buff etc. and they will all benefit better if you have multiplicative engraving rather then additive. But again since we only have so many good dmg engraving people do eventually stack curse doll adrenaline and keen blunt even though it additive simply they can’t use any other dmg engraving beside grudge as the multiplicative one.

Multiplicative Engraving are Grudge Raid Captain Hit Master Ambush Master. Some class specific one are stabilized status Master Tenacity.

I know all this im just not shure about raid being multiplicative with grudge but you are probably right and its very easy to test so if it is the general consensus im shure its correct… my thought was that 2 multiplicative engravings become additive in regards to eachother like your example here

3000+(3000 x .06) = 3180 = base+adren
3180+(3180 x .17) = 3720.6 = (base+adren) x Raid Captain
3720.6 X .20 + 3720.6 = 4,464.72 base + Adren x RC x Grudge

I thought i would go
3720.6 = (base+adren) x Raid Captain= 3720.6 then 3180=(base+adren) x .2 grudge = 3816 so sum will be 3816 +3720.6 thats why i was wondering about exact order things are added in the formula