I was gonna write a long msg again, but i think i pointed out everything in my previous two, so there is no point to continue repeating myself if you guys didn’t understand the point of it by now. I am not going to change my mind.
The filter, once implemented will fix this.
It would also be amazing from the dev team to announce once again that all servers are international, as some are still being confused, believing that some servers are dedicated to specific countries.
Faire enough. Filter / specific chat canals is ultimately the solution.
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I think this discussion mixes two issues, in a way.
One is the obvious problem with mixing people of different languages, the other is people using area chat for casual conversations or worse just actually spamming (on Inanna we have those going uwu every half a second).
The combination of spamming and multiple languages makes using area chat to actually ask for information or game relevant stuff quite harder than it needs to be.
The first thing here would be to start being more respectful towards each other, which I understand is not that easy among random strangers who don’t care for each other at all, the second would be to start reporting those who throw insults, start wars, or in general clog the area channel with prolonged conversations which would be better held in private (or more in private than they are in area chat). Being area chat a public space, one should have the attention for others that is normally required in these kinds of situations, especially when you’re not playing on a server of a dying game with a population in the hundreds.
As for the language factor, being an international environment, it seems normal to me that everyone is required to make some effort. I’m not a native english speaker, but I try to keep conversations in my language to more appropriate channels; the exceptions I don’t see a problem to is if someone is advertising their guild, or some player who is not so good with english asks for help with the game, something that can still, in a later moment, be taken in private
As for the actual practical solution of implementing filters of some kind, we’ll have to see how well it’s done, and it could actually prevent problems for most people, so long as it’s flexible enough to allow options for those who speak multiple languages and don’t mind switching.
For servers that already have a very heavy prevalence of some languague, offering the option to those willing to transfer their characters, and subsequently proceed to mark that server as prevalently whatever is being spoken, that would probably end up being over time a good thing, which probably should’ve been done at the start.
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@Versyx It’s way more complicated than you’ve put it, I’m sure they are aware that server transfer is the best solution for more than one problem, if it was that easy they would’ve done it by now. 
It’s definitely the majority’s opinion. I bet my kidney that there’s not a single server with more than 30% people from the same country; meaning that, for instance, on Asta server there’s definitely less than 30% germans. That means that the other 70% don’t speak/understand their language.
I can’t wait for those language filters! Really happy to hear you’re working on a solution. For me, I lose the sense of community and this is an MMO after all.
Just my two cents.
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Wow. Sorry but you are just delusional yourself.
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Perhaps I should say I play and seek an English speaking myself on EU west. Before you go about one of your stereotypes.
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How could you think of “Enforcing” a particular language. Not everyone knows that language well… Not everyone is awesome in school or goes to an Elite one… I know some individuals in another game (in a team) who communicate to us in Google translator, so we can organize.
Let alone the voice chat is much harder than writing in a foreign language.
Last but not least what do you think Amazon translated the Game into different languages for? To enforce English after all? It’s also harder to communicate when you have it installed differently, I notice so every time.
People who think this way, are part of the problem: Treating the people being different to them, in an un-understanding way, telling them what to do, getting toxic if not complied. So not knowing about other countries and their status, not realizing people are different somewhere… This of course provokes a reaction and often even a generalizing attitude. After all this is the reason the “natives” get defensive and then will start “claiming” particular servers, like here EUW Server overview and language choices
If there was less blame to them, then I am sure - also from experience, that you can simply talk English in parallel, rather often. (Now the chat window needed to be bigger for that, to be optimal, and ofc looking forward for the lang. channel) (and of course there are always dicks)
Also no one said you are speaking in an English chat, all servers are international, so any language could be spoken - like a Guild search (how can one get mad about that?) - , and if just to say hello what city are you from in their language, you will already get crazy. Because the servers are full and it’s adding up. It’s not the people’s fault. But the developers who should take care of it similar to knowing a law in the country you are releasing in… After all this is not Korean Version, or Japanese Version, or Chinese Version, or US version (well some Spanish conflict). All these have more or less one language. No. Contrary, EU has several main languages:
- Spanish
- French
- German
- Polish
- Italian
Fra, and Ger don’t even need to communicate in English in their country at all, since they are rather independent, making it really unusual to talk that way. Thus for some it is fairly uncomfortable.
Let’s also look, the game Lost Ark can be played in several additional languages:
- Spanish
- French
- German
(Regarding personal choice of which language to install LoA with and basically it being your interest to talk in that language then)
By the way: Some read in their chat window: Fr, or Es, or De, depending on keyboard setting. The chat does not show EN to all - I also read some idiots from English side here claiming so.
So the other countries not on that list, Scandinavians are a great example, contrary simply have to speak more English naturally and thusly are more used to it. Like other minorities online who are basically forced to speak English, if they can - but you see them do otherwise if they come together in groups, too! (let met stop naming certain countries here)
Also - I read too many people being real smartasses not knowing anything when they have no clue about worse school in some countries. I always thought that’s common knowledge? Like I have seen it at least 2x Documentations in free TV about this exactly, and I usually don’t watch much. There they also talk about countries being corrupt, where for example teachers buy themselves into school to teach English, but they are bad at it, and the pupils learning sh… nothing.
Of course then some then learn it by themselves, when they must to, for instance Online. And in the Movie they highlighted some cool people who did so.
By the way these know up to 5 languages of their local environment, but English they didn’t so well! Just saying…
Last but not least, I know many people in my country that are foreigners, who simply don’t speak anything else but their native language at home, or with friends. (not even the one where they live, not English) And then there are people expecting them to speak a third language somewhere in an Online game suddenly, rather than what they are used to. Surely possible but not preferred. It’s that easy to understand. And certainly not in Voice. And Just saying, if the game was translated to their language, they would also use that option. And let me say, people at least occasionally like to greet in their language, because why not!? It’s extremely natural. Like when you see that person on the street.
Also I want to notice, your wording doesn’t really tell of friendliness:
gibberish (that looks like 99% cursing and terrible mama jokes)
To outro:
I know it’s hard to be neutral. But if you take a side you are part of the problem. Because of this let me point out, I am not defending these people - I have made all the experience myself with some individuals being toxic to you for speaking not their native language: No matter what country somewhere they can be toxic to you without you being: I have asked English question on Korean realm and was told to fuck off. I was playing on Polish claimed Server and some treat you mean “racist” literally for speaking English. Then of course I know about others too, be it French kicking you out of the group when you don’t speak it, and others… you name it.
That being said in todays world It’s not even about countries. It’s also mostly people simply being toxic in general, and often even without a reason. Even if you ask the most neutral question or give the slightest of hints in a team game people can react with the F word and other funny sentences, all in English.
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This is true. And you should be able to communicate how you want. At least in private! And games are a private hobby! I say this as someone who speaks English mostly, FYI.
Also read my comment above where I try to explain some situations (for more general understanding to both “sides”).
Zone chat is not private though, even if the game itself feels like it is.
Nobody’s telling them how to speak to each other, in guild chats, custom chat channels, party chats,… As it was stated above, the problem is an amalgamation of different issues - out of which the 2 most noticeable are using zone chat as a very large guild chat all the time and using a language that is not used by the majority.
The majority in this case will perceive that as spam (random wall of unreadable text) - which is a completely natural reaction.
For instance
“…-. — .-. / … -. … - .- -. -.-. . --…-- / -.-- — …- / .-- … .-… .-… / … . . / - … … … / .- … / … .–. .- – / … … – .–. .-… -.-- / -… . -.-. .- …- … . / -.-- — …- / -.-. .- -. .----. - / .-. . .- -… / … - .-.-.-”
is perceived as spam, yet it means something.
That’s why it’s common consideration and common sense to limit all the national languages in zone chat to minimum while promoting the usage of the language that is being used for talking in an international environment (since that’s exactly what zonechat is). It’s what most of us are already doing to avoid actual chaos.
When it comes to excuses like “education system”… that works for a certain period of time.
I learnt Italian and German by watching cartoons in their language when I was little. I learnt English by playing videogames; Especially MMORPGs. Prior to that I sucked at it too, due to my own education system.
Some people will always find excuses to support their actions for an unlimited amount of time, simply because they don’t want to do anything about the problem - they rather blame the circumstances than take their own life in their hands.
In other words, people who keep saying “it’s my education system, so I can’t speak” and refuse to be open about it, won’t improve - not because of their education system, but because they refuse to do so in the first place.
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The achivement 50 friends have kill the war atm! 
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I’ll pretend I didn’t read some of it as I see you’re being highly defensive, assuming, and emotional, but if you took your time to read through the thread you’d see that most of it was already covered or implied and the solution that benefits US ALL is being worked on 
But let me clarify and repeat one thing: there’s NO SUCH THING as a claimed server – only a very minor part of the player base are even aware of the forums, let alone some tiny poll “deciding” the language within (it’s only meant as a guide for guilds to begin with), and hence English remains by far the most spoken international language in EU and ANY server, nobody’s speaking about native English here.
And again, we’re by no means bashing on other languages, only those that do it out of sheer snowflake entitlement and ignorance when they CAN actually speak English.
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Man that sounds good.
a international server should speak the most commen language with is English.
im not gonna point any names towards those that refuse to do so. but if we could keep it
to english in “all chat”, and if peaple wanna speak in there own language, then keep it to whispers / guild chat. anything else is just disrespectful.
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No, it’s not.
If someone writes something in French, it’s not for me. If someone writes something in Italian, it’s not for me.
Europe got more than one language. Lost Ark decided against specific language servers (which was a mistake imho) so there is no way they will enforce a language now.
The whole game is in my language, most people in all chat are talking my language and now some people want that we all speak English. This is disrespectful and ridiculous.
If you speak english on any server you obv. shouldn’t get flamed, but you shouldn’t get flamed when you speak your own language as well.
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Well… If it’s not for you and it’s written in zone chat - a chat where everyone’s included, it might be better to direct that message to a specific person or a specific group - hence, whispers, guild chat or global chat function (yellow speech bubble in the top left corner).
As it was stated on many occasions, there are more than 24 languages in Europe. 24 official and around 200 unofficial. If everyone would be using zonechat as a large guild chat and talk in their own language, nobody would be able to communicate with each other because everyones messages would get lost between all the other spam.
Oh please. It’s disrespectful to assume that you “claimed” a server for yourself. And as I have stated above, one of the main issues is that “most people” you mentioned in your post are using zone chat as their own personal national guild chat - hence why “most people in all chat who are talking my language” are not most people talking occasionally, but rather some people talking all the time.
That’s disrespectful and ridiculous by itself. That’s usually the trigger which starts everything.
At the end of the day it has nothing to do with enforcement and law, but common sense and common consideration.
If you truly don’t get this, even after people keeps repeating and explaining it in different ways (essentially the same thing), then there’s really no point debating about it anymore.
You will continue perceiving us as self-centered, even though we’re the ones who are considerate enough to use the common international language in zone chat. While you will continue perceiving yourself as victims, because people get triggered by foreign language spam in area chat.
You know what they say; “There’s a time and place for everything”.
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look at the european parliament for instance, you don’t see people talk in their own native language when they are having a session
I agree with most of the points you made but I had to make an account here just to clarify this because I know people who work at the EP. How you described it is not how the EP works - each MP is free to talk in their own language and it is then translated for everyone else. See:
Of course that has nothing to do with this game, which I agree should be assumed to use the current lingua franca (English) unless specified otherwise - and I’ve no idea why the servers don’t have language tags as most other major MMO-s have.
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English is not the most common native language in europe tho.
51% Could hold a conversation in english. For people not living in a big european country like Spain, Germany or France, it seems obvious to learn english and access a larger cultural landscape. But a french or a german can grew and live without the obligation to do so, and most have more pressing matter in their mind.
Thinking that english is official lingua franca is very american thing to do. I’m sure on KR server mandarin is not mandatory.
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Yeaaaa… no, it doesn’t work that way. You don’t “unify the small countries”. That’s an even bigger bs to justify why you should talk in your language and others shouldn’t.
The point to use it in an international group is to make everyone speak the same language, not to make a few large groups.
I was talking more about the sessions where they talk to each other and not about the individual communication as well as during various contract signing, where for obvious reasons details (which could be interpreted in a wrong way if both parties aren’t that good at talking in English) are extremely important.
In live sessions they try to talk in English if possible. Only a very few amount of them decide to speak in their native language - which - as you have pointed out - doesn’t matter as much, sinc there’s a 3rd party medium in between them, which means that in the end, all the participants will still be able to know what they are saying.
Thanks to google translate I get it. Also your name seems on spot. It’s about being polite or not. How will you feel if I stand in front of your face irl and talk another language nonstop that you don’t speak? And imagine that too wherever you go, everyone is doing it nonstop even they can speak the language you can understand? (English in that case here) Servers are listed as English for a reason and English is basically the language everyone understands more or less in a common base.
See you next time if they implement the filter ever they are talking about 
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What if ppl from a not English speacking language dsnt speack english?
This “thing” u wanna impelement, is RACIST. EU IS NOT A COUNTRY. EVERY COUNTRY HAS HIS OWN LANGUAGE.
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This not a justification at all, I’m saying that few of you take for granted that english is spoken by everyone in europe. It is not, no matter how many in your social circle do, it is factually incorrect: barely half think they can hold a conversation in english at all, that’s just how the situation is.
The media, finance and scientific community use english by pragmatism, but those groups do not represent the majority in any country.
Now the only global chat being an international group with mandatory english will just alienate the multitude of groups who don’t master english, you give a global chat per language and one international where everything goes.
to [Xakery]: The global chat is not adressed to you exclusively, if you get offended by people talking to eachother in another language it’s your problem, you call the cops on tourist speaking foreign between them in the street ?
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