Some good ideas most of us i belive we share

You talk like we all are not new player if we startet playing LA. Lmao

If a late game player can see the issues, that a new player is experiencing. That just shows how bad the problem is. And that new player will feel it 100% worse, in time spent just looking to finish a run. Which is unfortunate, and saddening.

I’ve got the opposite problem. I’m all out of pots. And I accidentally claimed the 100 boxes they gave on my 2nd roster as well :-S

This one is a joke, lol. Even on the play station games I used to play it was never that clear cut. You would have to turn that wired DSL connection and search for badly written tutorials to see what the hell you need to do in order to pass a certain boss or find a certain consumable.

You’re basically claiming that an average Lost Ark player doesn’t like any challenge which is idiotic. The game is designed to be a challenge, either against time, or other players, or your own expectations. To me, an average Lost Ark player is the guy who enters a lobby silently, doesn’t like to have sidereal responsibility, doesn’t like to take 7-1 , 5-1 and 11-1 positions on Vykas, and doesn’t want to call wings on Vykas, neither.

That’s an average player for me. The rest are hard-core.

D:

U have forget Prokel and Star player on G2/3 :stuck_out_tongue:

Yesterday i saw in G3 HM a Mage and a Arti doing stars and we got a GS and a SH but they dont wanted to do Stars. That was fun. XD

First most modern day games, let me correct ARE CLEAR CUT. EA,UBI,Activison. Heres a game top right corner, your objectives, mini map point destination literally dialogue tells you what to do… You know what to do, location, objective, goals. Literally all triple A games are clear cut, and if they have a tutorial that’s just a bonus.

A challenge and punishment are two completely different things. Having one person wipe 7 others is not a good game mechanic its a punishment that’s tedious. A good challenge is PVP, equalized, and highly reliant of skill. Raiding is much skill, its repetition with high deludes of punish mechanics. Oh you didn’t grab this on time wipe, oh you didn’t put this in here on time wipe. It’s very clear cut, actually. But not a challenge just tedious. Do you know what another good challenge is in this game? The race, its challenge getting ahead of a person, Theres no punishment, but clearly there are some better drivers pushing on. Another person can’t harm your achievements for a tiny blunder. Because you’ll get a reward.

You failing a raid because a person misses a orb is not a challenge. That’s a mistake and then into a punishment. 1 person punished 7 others for 30 minutes.

And this isn’t? Dude, it’s exactly why the wipes are necessary. Without them, you’re not forced to be “highly reliant on skills”. You can just overhone and smack the bitch up repeatedly until it’s HP bar reaches 0 and then smack some more if it’s a stubborn little shit with multiple lives (which they all are xD)

Well that doesn’t sound like MMORPG to me. Role playing? No. Sounds like Hack and slash game to me

No, because historically over ilvl tanked most mechanics. Not only that most people already removed the challenge portion by using guides and cheatsheets. What’s challenging when you used again a clear cut cheat sheet to guide you through? What skill is there? It’s repetition at that point not skill. Or youtube videos for tutorials? Again its not a challenge what your expecting afterwards are simply punishments.

If one person dictates your wasted time within 1 flaw, on just general weekly dailies raids. That’s a flaw. Like I preached wipe mechanics should be in inferno, if you want in your definition challenge why not have it in a mode that everyone agrees would be difficult ?

Exactly. So how can you incentivize people to use those 8 keys strategically if not punishing them when they don’t?

Like I said keep the punishing mechanics in inferno? It’s a weekly. If you want punishment’s whats wrong with saying keep those wipes in one mode?

Why can’t the hardest wipes for most players be in a mode all players agree is the hardest?

I wasn’t talking about skill sets I was talking about punishment factors and how they should be kept in inferno. Why should normal players have to deal with the mistakes of 1 individual? TRhat isn’t skill that,s a needless punishment. For 7 others.

One shots cant be tanked. Thats a Fakt in every MMO.

I don’t know, I haven’t yet tried inferno. As it stands, sounds too much hardcore for me. I play on 8GB RAM laptop so that might be an issue. But I have thought about it and would like to attempt it.

But I’m not crazy to even try it until I can comfortably 1 v 1 Valtan for example. I think I’m realistic about the amount of skills someone needs for certain achievements. If not, I’m a bit pessimistic. I can be found saying I will never do Vykas because that raid sucks ass.

Now I’m doing it on hard mode ono 5 characters.

i said most, i didn’t even say one shots? And one shot mechanics universally wouldn’t be tankable. Regardless of ILVL or gear that’s already without say.

Even though I am not a fan of Asmon as a streamer, he hits hard on some of the core issues at hand in the game, I fore one have mentioned on the forums that AGS communication is complete dog trash, its slowly getting better but the fact that we are approaching near 50,000 players as a true number means the shit has literally hit the fan for AGS and he makes a valid point that this should of been done ages ago, a lot of people on this forums have been saying it for a year or more.

They now decide to listen when the player base is at rock bottom and the “bots” are meant to be under control.

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Again im not talking about how hard a raid is, if you want to use your 8 keys+ w.e the way you want that’s up to you. I’m still talking about how wipe mechanics needs to be adjusted. 1 person wiping 7 others wasting time, is a waste of time. And literally the LETTER talks about how they want to improve it. I suggested moving it only to inferno. Full wipe mechanics is utterly dumb in a 4-8 man raid that’s meant for weeklies. And like I SAID please listen should be moved into inferno where you can find a challenge there. Because you wish to experience that. I dont want to waste 40 minutes in gate 6 just to fail a dps check and wipe. That’s a massive waste of time, and utterly who puts it at the end of a raid. Without a fail safe like gate 4 swords, where you can just break 20x bars.

It’s poor design meant to punish for no reason. If you push a little fast the mech pops and wipes with no cd, push to slow you wipe and again you want us to do this potentially 6 times as a weekly. If the devs acknowledge it, we are bound to see massive changes anyways. But why in future raids even bother with them. If it was 4/8 people making a mechanic mistake on a wipe fine. But 1 person, even in prokel is bad design, which they apologized for as well.

Bro, if you can’t agree that rehearsal mode for every raid should be added with better rewards than clown and brel rehearsals give now, and about adding a mentor system, then we got nothing to talk about.

Those are the only changes a hardcore player which is crucial for this game can accept. Everything else would be dumbing down a game which 50-60k people in the West like more than any other. Who cares about the rest of you when you have so many other games you can play instead?

Are you even paying? The grind is real. Poker is grind, not many people can grind it as their primary job. A handful of people do and they like it. And there’s money involved. This is same shit. Grind, money involved, handful of people.

Tetris got a new update in the last 20 or so years. Maybe give it a try. It has way less buttons than Lost Ark

Anyway, that was me with my arguments. I certainly don’t want you to think I’m one of those elitists, closed groups which don’t want to play with newbies. Or that I’m personally attacking you. Those are just my views which I know I share with some of the hc players here.

I’m just fighting for what I like the same way you’re fighting for what you like.

It’s just that my opinion is that you don’t like the core of this game, which to me, means that you wouldn’t be satisfied with the game with any of the changes most of us would accept as good for the game. Because you don’t really like the grind or paying to speed up that grind to enjoy being at the top and on every MVP screen, at least for a while.

Or, you do, but you’ve grown bored of it and think they went too far. I understand. Maybe they did. I’ve seen threads about Brel HM being too hard and buggy, and if you guys say it is, I can’t say it’s not becuase I haven’t yet played it. I can only quote people who are claiming it’s not too hard but you need time to learn the raids.

Just like all of them.

I do blame the players because when Valtan was released we were on ilvl with max 3 engravings and some didn’t even have the gems and now players who are 50ilvl above are gatekeeping players who are only 30 ilvl above Valtan :slight_smile:

There is nothing predatory about this game, you have two choice either don’t be lazy or swipe. Just like in life either have a farm and eat your own food or go to super market and buy the food.

There is absolutely nothing in this game you can’t get as F2P player that you can with swiping, and absolutely you don’t need to be 50+ ilvl above content with level 10 gems to do the latest content, do you need a Ferarri to get to work? Can you also get to work in a Toyota Yaris?

You must separate needs from wants!

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  1. I watched the video before it was posted here. And no I did not watch all 50 minutes, I never claimed to have. Interesting how you start with that weird strawman. I very clearly stated I disagreed with “almost” everything, because I’d rather kill myself than watch hours of his “content”.

  2. I don’t have to, if you can’t tell he has no idea wtf he’s talking about you aren’t worth arguing with tbh.

Never have I ever seen so many sweats in one thread.
I could make atleast big pool out of it.

Anyone defending current system - you are part of the problem.
Enjoy your last months with this game.

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