The video is well made, in certain aspects, but I think there’s quite a few fundamentally misleading pieces of information regarding just how quickly someone who swipes can reach “end game” and for just how much money. This screams out as confirmation bias to me, content made specifically for people already assuming or of the mind that this game is P2W or impossible to complete without paying money, etc.
I’m not here saying that the information is inaccurate as far as the F2P side goes, do I think it’s okay or reasonable to expect someone to spend three years getting to T3? No.
Notice how the video never mentions any value of money you’d need to spend to get to the highly coveted end game, how the time being “1 Day” is egregiously unrealistic even if you do pay thousands for no reason, how RNG can still affect these upgrades due to capping on maximum chance potential, etc.
Again, the video is well made and raises very valid points, but some people in this thread and elsewhere are grasping at this, running around like; “look, look! Look how bad the game you’re playing is being it makes you pay in the end game!” It almost seems like some weird sort of self-righteous virtue signalling due to people putting themselves on a pedestal over being F2P over P2P.
The internet at large has already pretty much agreed at this point that the term P2W is subjective from person to person, but if you had the expectation that a Free to Play title was not going to, at some point, attempt to gate your progress so that you’d pay is delusional. Whether or not you have a right as a F2Player to match someone spending money on a company’s title is another argument altogether.
I don’t think anyone’s bashing F2Players pointing this out, I think people just hate the insufferable parrots spouting the same tired viewpoints that we’re already aware of, those who form a vocal minority of arguably ungrateful people who expect that, because they live in the West or by virtue of their own failings, that Free to Play means or entitles you to Free to Complete.
If you are interested in the costs of upgrading Items at endgame, there is a nice video by ZealsAmbitions.
There he explains, that in Korea right now if you wanna boost a fresh char to max gear lvl right away, you would need about 15000$ to 20000$.
You do not need anything, just to stop being a sheep and mindlesly follow everything streamers say. What about just playing the game without boosting lol.
It is too hard, right ?
I realize this is their business model and a player probably won’t need max ilvl for anything.
Also no matter how much people complain, they won’t change the game from F2P to a subscription model.
You can choose to play something else, if you don’t like their monetization.
Regarding Asmongolds Video reaction, i just found it hilarious to watch while waiting in the 5 hour queue.
If you are in EU there is a new region coming soon. Probably all the people who will be spending a lot money will be staying where they are right now. You can join the new region and probably will be able to play free of big spenders. Just a thought.
In nearly every MMO ever, people routinely pay to win. People buy gold, people pay for carry and for power leveling and for gear and spots in raids. You name it. No game has managed to stop this. If there is an in game currency people will find a way to buy stuff in a game with real money and they will have a huge advantage over “honest” players. Here, with Lost Ark you have a game that has implemented multiple different mechanisms to limit the p2w affecting the f2p players and have implemented a plethora of time gates and even made PvP completely equalized, yet people still complain.
Do you think everyone in League or Fortnight or any game generally regarded and “totally f2p” with only cosmetics sold…do you think all the people you play against grinded every level and no one bought their account?
Very accurate rendition. I think the issue people miss is this game sets up it’s hard stuff so that you need to be able to PLAY. GS is not the EZ win in this game like it is in many other games. you can fork over tons of real world cash, and still wipe in raids. Then your kicked from your raid team because you suck, and your money now is a very fancy gear set.
The only benefit in whaling right now is bragging rights in town, which no one is going to care since we all know how easy it is to just get gear in the game. The only whales who would actually benefit from this are the ones that can really play the end game, and they already know how easy it is to get gear in the game, so they’d probably just skip the store and grind the extra hours to get the gear.
All you want is easy way, you don’t want to pay anything, and you want it now. It doesn’t make sense dude. If you want to play F2P of course it costs you time. Nothing is free and nothing gets sooner.
It’s funny to read how people think about the behaviour and intentions of rich (or wealthy) people.
If I can only play for a maximum of 2-3 hours on some days, do I want to do things that I enjoy or things that I am forced to do? For example, “farming” islands? I’d rather spend money that I can’t spend more sensibly in real life and buy the mats in the auction house or Mari’s shop. There are plenty of T1 and T2 mats in the AH.
It’s also complete nonsense that whales can’t play their character or buy chars because they don’t want to level. Most of the time, such people are not the dumbest and laziest people in real life, otherwise they wouldn’t be wealthy. So it’s quite possible that some of them can play better than the average joe.
There are so many prejudices against rich people that sometimes it hurts to hear them over and over again. I just think some people have to tell themselves such things so they don’t seem so small. However, money has nothing to do with strength of character, diligence or ability. And this argument goes both ways and applies to poor people as well as rich people.
My point this:
Company wants: maximized outcome and minimize work.
Customer wants: minimize prices that we need to pay and maximize the entertainment.
I will add, that it is sounds much better if someone pays frequently than makes one big pay. For service provider.
So. I think that it doesn’t matter are u rich or not. If game designed to milk money out of u, u should resist it same as company will resist the idea of customer that don’t pay for service.
Ofc no service could be granted if u don’t pay, why anyone will do it, how they will live like this? But again, as I said, company wants to take as much money and as frequently as possible. We, want the opposite. This is why we should resist it.
I paid only for the Platinum pack to start playing 3 days earlier I’m currently 1307, And while I bought things from mari’s shop it’s mostly Card packs and Gem Chests very little to almost no progression Items bought.
There’s justy no tangible proof to support the 3 years to end game we don’t even have end game unlocked yet we only have act 1 of tier 3 released we still have the other Acts to come, also levelling is supposed to take months to even reach tier 3 as a cheap free to play player who won’t ever drop money on this game you literally have no place to complain that you can’t reach T3 in a few weeks.
Be more efficient in you’re levelling. If Someone like me can make it to t3 without dropping hundreds on materials, but I have a feeling you’re shit at every mmo so the chances of someone like you reaching end game of any mmo before quitting is slim to none.
I will never understand anyone who complains about the F2P P2W dynamic… HOW ELSE ARE THE SERVERS AND STAFF GOING TO BE PAID FOR??? Fortunately in this game it’s not game breaking for anything considered competitive… the grand majority is time saving or cosmetic.
You get to play for free at the expense of people who want to spend. Enjoy your free game.
The alternative is subscription and/or $60 one time then $20-30 per DLC…
