Theres no reason to ever take multiple supports in a party of 4 meaning the support class has noone to compete with so why are they even on the MVP screen?
The entire point of the MVP screen is to show who did the highest DPS… Supports compete with noone so they’re automatically already their own category of MVP???
MVP screen isn’t a dps meter, it shows overall contribution in battle. This includes damage, battle items used, stagger and healing. Since supports are healing/buffing the whole party vs dps only having a single boss target, it’s easier for supports to get MVP.
supports have to deal with babying dps and the absurd prices for support gear on the AH, let them have this lol
If you want to check dps, the titles during the MVP screen will give you a vague idea, specifically ‘Fighter’, ‘Upright Fighter’, and ‘Cruel Fighter’. Although the dps percentages for each I believe are 5-29%, 30-39%, and 40%+.
If you didn’t get a ‘Fighter’ title, that does not necessarily mean you didn’t do damage. You likely contributed more to stagger, etc and got more contribution points toward that than dps. Kinda sucks that you can’t see all your individual titles unlike MVP, just the highest contributing one, if that makes sense.
Why does anyone really care about the MVP screen? Almost no one looks at it and pretty much no one cares. As long as the dungeon/raid is successful it really does not matter. MVP is just to make people that need a pat on the back feel good.
I think you are all misunderstanding my point, theres no DPS meter in this game so u only have the MVP screen to discern who is playing well and who isn’t etc… My point is supports are ALREADY MVPs because they have NOONE to compete with, whether you’re good or bad, you’re still 1st place coz you’re competing against yourself.
DPS on the other hand are competing against 3 other players hence why the MVP screen doesn’t need to include support, if supports want a trophy then just put them in their own category of the MVP screen so they’re always there in their own category.
It’s stupid trying to compare DPS to support, a support can just throw a bunch of heals and guarentee MVP, whats the point?
imo your not competing your objective is the clear of the content, but what do I know I’m just the harp weilder
Supports getting MVP is actually indictive of their performance, as well as the party overall. If they are healing a lot, it means dps are taking lots of damage and the supports are doing their job keeping them alive. There are still times where the support doesn’t get MVP or it goes to another support.
I’m not sure why you want the support role to be competitive, it doesn’t work that way. The MVP screen isn’t a dps meter, so don’t try to treat it like one.
Main bard here, I will enlighten you. Attack buffs from bards doesn’t count towards the contribution, that means if party members do the things right without needing heals the bard only buff attack making the run easier, completing it much faster and the bard will be on the last spot, that is how a true bard plays and it should be.
People care far too much about that stupid MVP screen. Stupid you feel the need to see if you got Cruel Fighter or Fighter. (No one cares). Make that plaque and put that your room. Mom will be proud.
Incorrect, on my 1400 bard, I can choose to make the run worse/take longer and just spam heals every time I get a bubble and guarantee MVP even though I over healed and did no DMG buffs. Not that I ever do that but just saying its stupid and supports should have their own category since they are not competing against anyone. You cannot place a fair objective value when you’re comparing apples to oranges. A heal could be worthless or it could be gave saving but the MVP screen is obviously not gonna know.
Exactly, so you’re playing the class more efficiently but you will not MVP coz u didn’t heal. But my original point was supports should just have their own category as they don’t compete with any of the other classes at anything cept stagger.
That’s a fundamental issue with the actual design and purpose of the MVP screen itself. But it doesn’t change the fact that it’s not a dps meter, which is partially what you are arguing here. Yes I’m aware supports can just spam heal to get easy MVP (I don’t disagree they have a much easier time getting MVP in general), which is why I said it’s indicative, but it’s not the absolute measure of playing skill.
I think your whole party’s performance (kill time, survivability, damage, frequency of dps respositioning, etc) is already a decent reference point for whether a support is good or not. There doesn’t need to be head on public competition between supports, that’s not their role.
Wardancer main here. People don’t remember they get extra crits status and 35% DPS boost from WD on the top of bard party buff and debuff. I remember a berserker got MVP in igrexion raid long time ago and keep on shouting, look at me MVP, look at me.
Yes, there are to many supports in this game, we need more ways to ostracize them. How much skill they pretend to be needed to stay still spaming shield/healing?
And their accs are cheap dime, what more they want?
“There are no healers in lost ark, there are supports” but you still get MVP mainly for party recovery.
If there were other categories like party buff or else, maybe most bards would decide to wait for a triple dmg buff rather to heal every time they gain a single identity.
This mainly applies to bards, because paladins almost always have MVPs for heals.
If you play in a party where the DPS don’t know the mechanics and gets all possible damage, MVP definitely deserves support. But if you play with good players support will not get MVP because they supported party with damage buffs more often than heal.
The point of the MVP is who contributed the most overall. Not the most damage.
Why do u need to know what ur support did MVP wise? Like I said before, you cannot compare apples to oranges, how do u determine how much MVP pnts a heal or shield is worth? U simply can’t. But we don’t need to value it numerically because supports are the only class competing against itself as you only have 1 support in a party.
The point isn’t to discredit support, the point is, theres no point having support as MVP as supports are ALWAYS MVP in their OWN category which NOONE is competing against.
I don’t get it. Supports are still competing with DPS classes in every category: DPS, stagger, battle item usage, even healing as potion healing can count towards the healing category. Just because a support will 99% of the time not MVP due to damage does not mean they are still not competing for most contribution towards DPS.
Also as others have stated, MVP takes into account many different categories and is not indicative of damage dealt but rather most contribution. A DPS can get MVP for 50% stagger for example even if they only did 20% of the damage.
Who gives a shit about the mvp screen? Does it really fucking matter to you?