Surge Deathblade is still borderline OP

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If i had a penny for every time i had friends blades screaming gods and evils in discord whenever clown/vykas/any boss phases/mechs outta the surge id be rich.

It s a very risk/reward class. You either end up top dog or annhilator. Which means aside few fights the class works right.

It has to be excluded from the count things like exotic oneshot boss builds or kunge statistics (kunge is surge paradise) given it takes away most of dps from any class using raid captain while keeping all engr for surge and re working.

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It does. Leas punishing on misses too

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atleast in random partys if you have a premade support who gives a dmg buff just at the right time nothing can beat a good surge deathblade if all dps classes have equal skill level.

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Ever since I properly geared my Surge DB she feels very good to play. I no longer care if a surge misses/doesn’t crit because its so easy to build the stacks back up. As long as I have Dark Axel and knowledge of patterns i can land the one back attack that matters. In that sense she feels very forgiving compared to RE.

It can be annoying when you’re stop-and-go with mechs because sometimes you can’t build full stacks but that’s nothing a bit of foresight can’t fix. If you play Soulfist, you know messing up your Hype window is way worse

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Gunlancer/supp/db/crit sinergy will disintegrate anything

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I think deathblow striker would outperform surge blade. I also can see shock scrapper up there.
But that also depends on the content. It’s all so subjective.

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it allways depends on the conten artillerist can also deal a huge amount of demage if you know what mecha and atacks you can chesse with shield and barrage mode and what not but also lose your main burst if the boss just jumps out of range(or runs faster than your lasers moves)
but if i look at the max potential surge death blade is the number 1 as far as i know and scrapper and stiker close behing the class even the hammer man can deal brutal amount off dmg but well doing this dmg on real fight is another story.

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right!! I totally forgot about arti!!

tbh, with balance patches it’s hard to keep track sometimes.

I’m just really bad at playing surge blade, so I do more damage with my db striker. definitely influences my opinion.

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well burst classes like this allways have the problem that they need to learn the boss pattern to deal there huge amount of dmg (and that the boss dosent troll nothing makes me more angry than the clown when he jumps away every 2 sec) compared to non burst classes where in the worst case you only miss 1 dmg skill and not your main burst skill you charged with the last few atacks.

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DB is strong with perfect synergy and good game knownledge. But without it they are medicore. Also dunno where you test dmg.

In trixion 100% back attack is utterly impossible in real fight

On Kungelanium classes like DB and Igniter sorc simply perform well, cuz they rotate thier cds on downtime when other classes lose uptime.

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Next 1490 Guardian is apparently the worst game of guradian raid for back attackers

Lets revisit this thread in a month shall we

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I’ve yet to see a surge mvp in clown.

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i mvp all gates weekly, 5x3 +22 weapon lvl 9 surge 60 weapon quality 1507.7 ilvl

the sorc in the screenshot is 1516 +25 weapon 96 quality

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To be honest, every class can mvp at any time at raid. This is no reliable comparison and has nothing to say at all. Can send you the same screenshots other way around too.

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i was replying to the guy who said “ive never seen a surge blade mvp in clown” and you getting mvp or not depends alot on the group you play on, its not the same getting mvp in a tryhard group than in a pug with bad players. but if skill is similar then the class does have alot to do. i have never lost mvp to shadowhunters for example, and i play with some very decent ones

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the jump from RE to Surge is like jumping from brainless mayhem to zerk technique. piano classes are the easiest and could arguably be the most fun. My advice for anyone who wanna make a DB if u wanna have chill easy run go RE if u wanna see big numbers go surge and pray that legion raids bosses from vykass g1 and above don’t go out of map or teleport to the end of the map every 2 sec and u will have fun XD

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The thing is piano classe need a much higer uptime than burst so we could argue that they are harder

I think the more appropriate terme is more consistant

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well its subjective I guess. personally I tried burst and spam builds in zerk, db and soulfist piano is so easy there is no comparison XD. You can turn your brain off and just spam skills no need to check boss hp to turn off identity or surge early before he go or save the zerk gauge and wait because the boss will start mech soon.

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DB strong but if you have strong team your db is useless…

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The synergy we bring is amazing the best move speed, attack speed buff in the game 3% damage and head/attack synergy.

Only ESO Striker, FI Wardancer, Aeromancer, Gunlancer have comparable synergy.

A class identity that resets our CDS, gives us move speed, attack speed, surge burst is strong but the ramp up time to our burst is 12-16 seconds, we can’t have access to our burst on demand like other classes.

When you start playing with people who SUPER over gear content feels so smoge playing Surge blade other classes can do their burst in much short window and hit alot harder My deathblow striker can do 400 mil+ damage in 8 seconds, while your surge blade building stacks, boss already phased.

Deathblow Striker, Rage hammer destroyer, Ignite sorc, Empress arcana, Shock scrapper can all deal very good damage in short burst window and phase the boss before I even built stacks.

But upside we don’t have very long downtime on our burst as long as we can hit the boss, 12-20 stacks (Depending on boss health bar, how juiced your group is), straight into building stacks again.

Class has its ups and downs.

Thing with this game they keep releasing new classes and with each one they are getting better and better at, I noticed there is distinct difference between the older classes and classes released after 2019 thats why im glad they are doing class reworks and balance patches, next one is coming with LoAON Winter on 18th december.

Summoner, Artillerist, Arcana, Destroyer all got reworked recently and are very strong classes now if you play the right spec.

Overall I like Surge blade, the aesthetics, dual blades, the class identity but its not my ideal class, when smile-gate release the right class I will drop this class even if they buff or dont nerf it.

I wouldnt mind if RE got buffed but I will still never play it, I always play spec burst classes because of the way this game is designed unless they change it always play surge over re

The thing that matters most in this game is Uptime on boss + Synergy