I’ve never said anything of the kind. I’m not trying to levy sympathy for these people.
I think we all agree that they’re breaking terms of service, breaking terms of service is bad, and it’s unhealthy for the game. That much I HAVE said.
What I AM saying is that the less ethically minded amongst us see no problem whatsoever in buying gold from third parties.
Your statements are putting words in my mouth, they are categorically false, and you’re deflecting from the argument I’m making. I think you’re deflecting because you don’t have a valid counterpoint.
Adjustments to pheon costs of accessories would be a QoL change. Adding more gold sources to the game would be a QoL change. The entire reason bots exist in the capacity they do is because there is a market for gold, since players are starved for it. The gold sinks are harsh, alleviating them would be a QoL change. Do you not think your arguments or point’s of view through?
That’s why I quit, yes. All of which are symptoms of the bigger problem of bots and gold sellers.
Nothing in any of my arguments about why the game economy sucks is about quality of life improvements that AGS has failed to implement. If you want to call not being overrun by bots a quality of life issue, then I guess… Ok. But it’s kinda not really?
Trying to draw sympathy by reminding us that RMters are players too. Or how about…
Telling me they want nice things too, or how about…
Trying to express they are justified because they seek better deals… or how about…
Trying to emphasize that these people are most likely poor/average everyday people who cannot afford to whale normally. How are you not trying to garner sympathy for the RMTer by making it seem as though theyve been robbed of an opportunity they deserve and are thus justified?
Im not putting words in your mouth, im trying to explain to you in the most direct way possible by breaking down every segment of your argument that you are fundamentally wrong in spectacular fashion. I’m not deflecting, there is no justification for RMT. If you don’t like AGS/SG quit Lost Ark.
I understand what you mean and what’s his point, but I think AGS hasn’t done much for so long they could’ve easily caught the RMTers gave them a 3 days ban + make their RMT’d gold go to the negatives, but I haven’t seen anything happen.
I’m not advocating for cheating and I’m not holding them to a higher standard. Neither did op or I was trying to redirect sympathy towards them. In fact I happen to believe paying for progression is equally bad, whether it’s in game or outside of it. Your misunderstanding comes from that blinding anger associating immediately anyone who disagrees with you with a bad human being.
In fact I’d like very much if RMT-ers would be evacuated so my in-game experience would not be affected. But my personal bias has no effect on my objectivity.
What I’m saying is that your a child throwing a tantrum under the pretense of objective argumentation.
Game is reaping what it sowed for creating the current system. Players are reaping what they sowed for engaging with and justifying the current system. That’s all.
“But, but, but, but it’s f2p”. Everyone knows what this means
Also, I can’t believe you’re trying to levy sympathy for AGS. I mean, AGS wouldn’t have a problem If people just didn’t buy gold from other sellers. AGS are just victims of nihilistic customers with no moral values, so please be nice to them.
Yeah see the logic doesn’t work for you or me.
I’m not going to be nice to AGS. It’s their problem. They need to fix it. Shifting to blame to people who buy gold, it’s not a solution.
Sure AGS/SG is reaping what they sow for being lenient with cheating and maybe even allowing players to pay for progression. When has anyone ever disputed that? No one, literally no one why bring this up? But now you are seemingly blaming a majority of players for doing what exactly? Following ToS, not RMTing? So people who just played the game within the rules of the game deserve what RMTers are subsequently doing because they didnt quit week1 or something? Again, if you don’t like how AGS/SG handle NA/EU Lost Ark, quit. Why sabotage it? Im the child? LMAO, most of these RMT apologist seem like angry ex-girlfriends.
Okay, I see your point there. The examples you give can be construed as trying to garner sympathy, but that wasn’t my intent.
The entire intent was to try to get everybody to agree to put the blame for this situation squarely in the laps of AGS. Where it belongs.
The entire notion that RMTers are the sole problem is ridiculous to me. It’s like saying there would be no gold sellers if it weren’t for RMTers. I don’t believe that’s true at all.
It’s my position that as a simple function of supply and demand, there would be no RMTers if gold wasn’t insanely cheaper through the gold sellers, which is a direct result from the way the game was released and the complete lack of security measures that allow bot farmers to operate. And that’s not a player problem, that’s an Amazon/SG problem.
The real RMT fallacy is the thought that RMT and ingame shop is the same - with the ingame shop you buy gold from other players (who get blue crystal in return) keeping the value of gold stable.
With RMT, you buy from bots who get most of their gold from unas or other game sources - creating “new” gold and flooding the market, devaluing gold in the process → this leads to inflation, increasing prices because there is more gold on the market
When you buy from bots, you get more gold for the same price than through the ingame shop, but at the same time, you devalue the gold you bought. So you get more gold, but the prices increase at the same time, so you need to buy more gold - you played yourself
The entire community has been blaming AGS/SG since day 1 outside of a few white knights. Let me give you an example of this interesting paradigm, where for some reason players turned RMT apologists think they are in the right.
AGS/SG is the boyfriend he lives with you the really hot girl in an apartment. You guys have been going steady for a few months but things havent been so nice all the time. AGS/SG has called you a dumb bitch, cheated on your with your best friend and gaslit you to make you feel ugly. One day he pushes you in the hallway before you guys enter the elevator and you finally decided you had enough. So you leave AGS’s apartment complex to think things over. You still have the key to AGS apartment so you come up with a great idea, you’re going to get revenge on that fucker, you’re going to burn AGS’s apartment down.
While he is away at work, you open the door to his apartment, turn on the gas stove and throw a lit match. You let the apartment catch on fire and leave the scene. Mind you other people live in this apartment complex, but that isn’t on your mind at the time, all you can think about is how good a girlfriend you’ve been to him. You gave him sex when he asked, you cooked him dinner, you were always nice, his family loved you. But he just couldnt stop being an abusive asshole. Did you take the best course of action?
No, most certainly not, you committed arson in fact but it felt good nonetheless. Does it matter a family of three lives next to you, or the kids being baby sat the floor directly above you? Nah, AGS has to pay and you hope his dick gets cut off. Y’all are angry exes who are doing the most to show you’re dissatisfied with toxic relationships. You don’t go to the authorities, you don’t tell his family, you dont distance yourself and move on. No you resort to fucking arson. Why should I have sympathy for an arsonist who is willing to put others in harms way, so she can get retribution?
basically the same reason countries shouldn’t continually print money
more money printed, less it over all is worth
that drives prices up to compensate there being more money with less value
And on the flip side of that coin, you’re doing everything you can to provide for her because she won’t get a job for herself. You’re working 12-hour days. She won’t communicate meaningfully with you. You got angry once because she was being verbally obstinate and combative, and called her a dumb bitch which she has lorded over your head ever since. And one day you finally come home to absolute pandemonium outside of your burned down apartment where everybody is blaming everybody else, except for the dumb bitch who burnt down your apartment - the same bitch that everybody is supporting for having such a terrible boyfriend, because she spent every waking moment talking shit about you while you were at work and didn’t have a chance to defend yourself… Maybe they haven’t looked at the bigger picture long enough to get an idea of what’s really going on.
You do realize you’re arguing in favor of AGS/SG at this point using the analogy constructed this way right? The working 12 hours, providing a home. Thats AGS/SG. Thats them providing this service, despite how imperfect it is. The one day they flip out? Thats them allowing players to buy gold in game, to pay for power. But you know you dont care, its not fair you cant get things “cheap”. Yes you are an ungrateful girlfriend. Indeed you are.
Interacting and supporting a p2w model that is predatory in nature, blaming others for not interacting with said system from a moral point of view and having faith in the companies behind it to uphold some weird fucked up moral conduct.
For doing god’s work for corporations and normalizing said p2w predatory system.
For playing in a game that incentivizes spending at every corner and blowing a casket because people choose the lower price.
I do pity them, but that’s beside the point. There’s just no justification to me to be so upset and surprised about the current situation. And just about any anger you feel should be solely directed towards AGS/SG. They are the ones that created the system and the ones refusing to police it out of fear of losing potential customers.
Yes
Rmt-ers are paying for progression. The very thing the game tries to make them do.
Nobody gives a fuck. I mean even ags/sg doesn’t clearly. ToS < Money
I’m playing the game mind you and I’m doing perfectly fine even in this climate. When I’ll get bored I’ll quit and go away from forums, I don’t actually care that much about it.
But I’d like to point out that calling me the angry one here is amusing.
Cheers mate. I’ll stop here since disturbing echo chambers takes too much effort. I’m not as driven as op
I am so sick of talking about this. I am not, nor have I ever said, that RMTers weren’t breaking the rules, or that they shouldn’t be punished for doing so.
But for every thread that calls AGS out on bots I see 50 more threads that are blame RMTers for the state of the game, that these people are the single and only root of all evil, and every single one of these arguments are completely ignoring AGS’s responsibilities to fix the issues that caused people to buy gold from gold sellers in the first place.
What I did point out is that AGS probably isn’t going to ban these people. Why? Because they can’t afford to - the player base is too small and their income has been chopped off at the knees by gold sellers and bots.
AGS would be making a whole lot more money if the only way to get gold in the game was through the in-game store.
I have never said that RMTers don’t deserve to be punished.
0 iq analogy, bots are cheaters and smilegate is not getting money when you buy gold created by cheating and not playing the game. RMT players are buying gold from cheaters, they deserve the perm ban just like bots
