We aren’t talking about morals and ethics. You are.
I dunno, you either didn’t comprehend the post correctly or you want to debate something different entirely.
Yes, more p2w please. So much p2w and shamelessness until maybe people will do something about it and something will finally change.
I wholeheartedly agree 
Not minimizing it. You need to devalue it.
The best fix to kill all bots and RMTers is to fix the rate for the gold exchange or in other words offer gold for the same price like third parties does.
Do you think gold sellers keep selling gold for 0,2 dollar with ban risk included? Nope.
He’s a Sophist. He’s not arguing to debate facts or truth, he’s just arguing to win.
In a roundabout way, establish his authority on the topic…
Deflect from truthful debate with anecdotal statements…
Proclaim that the truth is far more complex than people other than themselves can understand… (Best done in a back handed way like that, of course.)
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I congratulate you on this brilliant idea, we pull the weeds every weekend. A possibility but not an effective one, look at all the posts made here in the forum about bots. At some point you too will be willing to finally spend money on something you like to play and not consider everything to be free. Again, the friendly F2P system that allows players to earn gold without investing a single cent in the game is the breeding ground of these bots. There is only an either or question here. Do you want more P2W or do you want botting to remain an odyssey for everyone?
How is this anecdotal? He cited American history and I cited American fact. Recreational drug use for certain drugs has been legalized. Alcohol consumption has been legalized, what?
No just pointing out people use real world scenarios and try to apply them to fit narratives without considering factors in those same examples that contradict their points or statements. A good example is the drug/alcohol comparison.
While completely ignoring (or just lacking the intelligence to understand) the point he made… Anecdotally might I add…
this is the dumbest thing i read in the forums and trust the forum is full of **** *****, so that’s an achievement,
a more suitable analogy would be
you go and buy a nike for 10 dollars instead of 200 dollars, but now everyone even people who dont even buy a nike have to pay a 100 dollars to buy a big mac sandwich, a subway ticket now cost 500 dollars.
paying money in game increases the gold income of actual players, if i want to sell X amount items for X amount of gold i can do it and easily buy an engraving book or a cool accessory i want for Y amount of gold.
but because there are bots i can only sell it for 0.1X the amount of gold because bots are selling it for cheaper, and people price their engravings, accessories and what not at the price of the RMT gold, not the in game gold, so it’s at 10Y amount gold.
say you get 1k gold for spending 10$ in game, and you want to sell grudge for 100$, now you price grudge at 10k gold.
now you want to sell that same grudge book but you RMT, for that same 100$ you price the grudge book at 100k gold.
which is why the exchange rate in game makes no sense when you compare it to how much gold people make weekly and how much they charge for items.
it’s a f2p mmo, it must have a dumb cash shop, that’s how it works, and it’s a korean f2p mmo so it’s p2w by default.
but if you’re an actual f2p if someone buys gold in game and only uses the game that doesnt really hurt you that much since you are part of the gold cycle.
but when you add RMT and bots you’re screwed because it’s not even a cycle anymore and you’re barely affecting it.
everyone loses except the RMTers which amazon is doing a shitty job fighting them or the bots they use.
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Bots are there because there is exploitable value in the game on the one hand side and on the other hand side these values in the game are expensive. (Even RMT is expensive, just look at these prices and how much gold you actually need to progress… average people can’t even afford RMT.
Banning bots and banning RMTers won’t help. It doesn’t help since decades. You need different-smarter strategies to fight that shit.
I didn’t ignore the point. The point he tried to make was that things were legalized to avoid black market dealings. But he conveniently left out the fact that RMT does have a “legalized” element in our game, which is buying gold via currency exchange.
If legalizing Alcohol and drugs rectifies the problem in that scenario, then why isn’t the cash exchange a reasonable alternative? BTW Alcohol and drugs are still sold illegally in the US and at much lower prices than retailers. Just like how even with the existence of a gold buying option in the currency exchange, even with adjusting rates, gold sellers will always lower prices. You can’t simply lower prices to compete. His comparison was flawed.
I didn’t cite anything actually, lol. However, I did reference something that is relatable.
But if you want to have a statistics or data argument, feel free to cite your sources for all your so-called arguments. It is only you turning it into an ethics debate and now? from a basic conversation into a citing resources debate.
How far can you still go? lol, do you want to talk about the topic at all or you just doing nada still?
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Your post is logically sound but the issue isn’t the product it’s how the product is generated and the result in the economy.
Your analogy is bad because it doesn’t address that underlying issue. In fact, your entire opinion ignores it. You aren’t wrong, but you’re not right because you’re arguing a point no one is arguing against. Your opinion doesn’t concern the core issues people are talking about when they talk about RMT’ing. Almost no one would care if the bots were acquiring the gold by farming flowers and selling them on the marketboard, no one would care if they were acquiring the gold from carrying other players. The problem is the way in which the gold is generated and spread in the economy. All you’ve done is say “RMT makes sense from the perspective of the buyer” Which is 100% true if the buyer doesn’t care about how the gold is acquired and the effect on the economy. Not a single person I’ve seen, has argued against your point.
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Idk to be honest with you, its like talking to a brick wall. You’ve already admitted to being ok with cheating as a means to an end so I probably should just stop responding lol. Just dicking around at this point cause im bored. It’s too easy to break down your guy’s arguments.
Show me where he admitted that. Show me. You’re making shit up. Just stop.
You only hear what you want to hear, and you only know what you’ve heard.
We aren’t talking about whether it’s ok or not? how are you still stuck on this?
If you want to discuss ethics, let’s or you can create a new thread to discuss it. I will come debate ethics on the topic of RMTing with you, okay?
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This is not an argument. This is someone who has been trained and domesticated would say (I have a bit of a personal bias against this notion).
But even if it would be it’s about accepting the consequences of said system and blaming it’s design is much more of a normal reaction then blaming people for refusing to fall prey to it.
Game is fun, people want to play it and don’t stop to consider the moral implications of their actions nor care about supporting this kind of system nor care about the supporters of said system. I find this to be a normal response.
Like why is answering to predatory with predatory so weird to everyone?
How does the bot generate gold? He farms things to sell on the auction house. How does a bot ship the gold it has sold on the auction house? Via in-game mail or via the auction house through Juwele. How can a bot transfer its entire balance to another bot? Here, too, through the action house for millions of gold as a purchase price.
How do you prevent the bot from getting gold? He can’t sell stuff anymore because it’s rosterbound. How do you prevent the bot, if he has somehow got gold, from being able to pass it on through RMT trading for real money? They ban gold trading via mail and put a price cap on all items.
These measures will hit the F2P very, very hard. However, these measures are necessary to minimize the botting to a good level. The F2P player just has to be willing to accept P2W.
it is indeed not an argument, it’s a fact.
i mean we have both established that this wasnt even an argument, it was stating a fact.
i have no idea what are you even trying to argue here since we both stated this isnt an argument, why are you treating it as an argument in favor of p2w games?
He sells ice cream at 23 pm in texas.
says the guy who selectively responds to the replies he can respond to and ignore any other reply he cant argue with and pretend it doesnt exist kek
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