Actually, if you’re a good and experienced player and you know the ins and outs of a raid, this scenario is actually not that unlikely. In fact, I believe that if you know a raid and play it properly, it’s pretty easy to not miss a single doomsday. Some times you just have to be patient to pull the trigger.
I am aware that a good igniter will perform better and I think it’s fair since the class is more punishing and overall harder to play. But in reality I have met very few that did good in raid.
Note that I never played igniter so I may be wrong here, but from what I know the window in which 2 doomsday can land is pretty tight with the second one landing just before the end of arcane. So once you activate arcane you cannot afford to cancel and recast a spell without losing the second doomsday dmg. Add to this the coin flip crit and I think you can see why I usually don’t see igniter sorcs perform that well in raids.
Overall I’d say igniter has higher highs and lower lows, with a completely different playstyle, that seems more stressful and punishing to me.
In my personal experiance with reflux Sorcs in raids… they were almost always negativ.
its the same like Mayhem Berserker-> easy to build easy to deal dmg in lower lvls, but hard to manage to be on top as MVP
i personally would rather always take a Igniter instead of Reflux… also i deny as a bard in my daily Kunge groups every Reflux, cause they missing Stagger and Hitpoint which results in a longer Kungefight cause they arent able - in my personal experience of the last Month
im not saying its a bad build , i say lots of players which play that build, dont know what they do and then people come to bad experiences and bad conclusion, dont take
Reflux pianos… they play like my 2 year old son on my piano → hes happy to hit the keys , there are sounds, he find it great , but the rest would rather throw away the piano
I’m curious, in which content do you switch to casting build ?
Yea, I understand. I have met a few good Igniter sorcs. one of them is our Guild/Static Leader. he’s pretty insane when it comes to playing sorc. Even in clown, probably the most chaotic/random raid available atm, he hardly ever misses a doomsday. Of course there’s once or twice it happens, but it’s very rare.
When it comes to igniter, it’s all about controlling the fight. You don’t ever insta use Arcane just because you have the meter. You have to wait for the right time, more often than not.
The Coin flip is always there, that’s true. You can mitigate it with Adrenaline instead of Cursed Doll. It’s usually more efficient because it reduces that coin flip, but pretty hard to use and usually deals slightly less damage, from my experience. Eventually you can go CD3 + Adrenaline 1 or 2, but that’s probably only possible in the far future eheh
I use casting for all equalised content, basically things that don’t let you use relic set bonus. Without nightmare set, instant cast can’t sustain enough mana to keep spamming skills. Sometimes when I carry friends on lower tier/level guardians, I might also switch to casting just for fun.
Although I have cleared up to vykas hm with casting build. Don’t really want to try it on clown since he moves around so much and my static is not yet at a point where we can play around with different builds and still comfortably clear.
I know igniter is the more popular build for getting out that mega damage, but I still play a reflux sorc; for me, I’m able to be more consistent on a reflux build when I’m not sweating about perfectly landing and timing every single hit and it feels more comfortable and fun for me to play that way. 
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The damage feels a little low but I also think that stationary Trixion dummy is not the way to go about it.
If you have knowledge of the encounter she does fine. I went full el cheapo with mine (I did 333321 with 2 Legendary Combat Engravings) and she is strong enough to do great in Clown + do all busses as expected for her ilvl.
The thing people forget is that it is very easy to play at 90-100% efficiency on reflux vs igniter. Yes igniter is stronger but only if they are massively overgeared and can take a big chunk out of the total hp pool or if they know the fight very well. Casting reflux is a decent build but from my experience it just doesnt put out as much damage as instant. Reverse gravity with cd tripod is the highest dps skill reflux sorc has assuming you can land all of them(which isnt easy lol). In the end if yoire actually a good player and have decent engravings / stat spread / tripod levels, you will be fine playing any build.
If this is what you want to play then do it, it shouldnt matter what other people say.
Now thats out of the way, the reason people arent excited about reflux casting is that its the lowest DPS spec of any meta sorc build at your ilevel.
Ive played all 5 of the “popular builds” in both trixion and real world settings. Every current raid out in NA. Its not terrible, but even piano flux would out dps it in most scenereos.
Side note: statements like “i mvp a lot, or cruel fighter a lot” so it must be fine are dumb. Where you show up on the mvp screen has no bearing one how viable a build is. Its only how you do in relation to others in that exact raid at that exact time. That sorc might have missed a doomsday, or pushed the boss in a mech mid burst. Name any meta class, and i have a 50% cruel fighter mvp with them on the screen. Doesnt mean my build is better than theirs, just i performed better at that instance on that raid.
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i have 2 sorc alts. One is insta crit, the other is casting. They are 4x3 still, but i would say insta crit is just faster, more consistent damage. Still you can use doomsday in insta crit build as well for some of the content where destruction is needed. My casting alt was igniter before that. Well ignite sorc for me it’s too slow build, too risky build and i find it pretty boring to play. At the end play what you like and what you feel more comfortable.
I’ve played a lot of Igniter, Casting Reflux and Instacast. In terms of fun, I enjoyed casting reflux the most but it was definitely the weakest build out of the 3. I really tried to make it work and tried out many variations in trixion, but it’s always weaker than instacast. The gap will only become bigger in real raids because there’s more room for error for casting reflux vs instacast
However, it’s only weak relative to the other 2 builds. When I was casting reflux, I farmed MVP because of skill diff. You can clear any content with casting reflux and you can farm MVP against pugs
I play casting reflux from the beginning and i can say that it has the best of reflux and the best of igniter.
You have the frenetic game style of reflux and the big numbers of igniter (obviously not as high) But it is a build a bit trickier than piano because is more dependent on getting your big skills right. So it has a more challenging game style component comparing to piano imo.
Casting is a build that will be enjoyed by a person who likes nukes but hates the slow play style of igniter. And will be a build that a person who doesn’t like the need of constant accuracy will “hate”.
That is why ppl say that is the weakest of three i think, because is easier to lose DMG compared to piano. But if you get used to it…is fun and really strong.
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As a fellow Sorc main - I play casting reflux with final strike.
I made a change to my setup a few days ago and man its a day-night difference for me.
I still use Precise Dagger in my setup as we dont have bracelets yet.
I was about 65/35 with crit/swift and was doing really well. However I unlocked the LoS-18 card set and that made my crit just a little too low.
So i switched to max crit with swift on neck, and upgraded a few cooldown gems to level 8.
Now this build feels mega powerfull. Im hitting doomsday numbers i have never seen before.
Add a good bard/pala to that and you will have a great time seeing nice crit numbers, with very little downtime.
I enjoy the freedom of the class, blinking whenever i feel like it 
I also watched a video some time ago about there not being any 1600+ casting reflux sorcs out there. So these tier lists are just calculated numbers on a target dummy for me.
I will stay with Casting Reflux until im sick of sorc. Igniter’s can kiss my @$$ 
A good player will utilize the most out of a relux build. They constantly and consistently attacking/moving neither close nor far range, for example, when hiding behind pillars from valtan in which igniter has that spec/crit build, long casting time, slower movement, and if they hit it hurts, if they dont…well shouldve went reflux lol jk . Theres two different playstyle, but they both still do the same job.
7% crit from LWC is 7% dmg increase overall for final strike tripod.
Reflux has damage problems, you might say well it’s non positional of course it’s lower, well, even compared with other non positional classes (hit master classes) they are 4-10% lower in dps (strongest build would be casting, all-out-attack, swift/crit with elemental tripods and raid captain), coupled with a bad rotation of skills some reflux players end up doing 30% less than other classes that have guides telling them what their rotations is.
If you enjoy the playstyle it’s a win anyway! I think the main issue is that igniter is pretty much broken and does some of the highest dps in the game (if you hit your stuff) so in comparison to that reflux cast is weaker, but if you compare it to other classes it’s totally fine. And also it’s as usual very dependent on the player. That’s always the biggest factor in this game, which I love. You bring the player not the class!
You have some major misconceptions of reflux sorc.
Yes it’s not a top dps class and can’t compete with igniter sorcs given equal gearing and playing skill, but it’s far from having damage problems. Casting reflux is only better than instant cast pre-relic. Once you have access to relic gear, nightmare set bonus solves the mana issue on instant cast reflux and casting reflux becomes the weakest reflux build.
Instant cast reflux also doesn’t have skill rotations. You literally just spam your synergy skill and cast whatever is off cd. There are little tricks you can do for animation cancel to cast skills or reposition faster but that’s about it.
But with all that said, I would still highly recommend reflux sorcs build Adrenaline, even at lvl 2 for a cheaper build. If you want to go extreme cheapskate on instant cast build, you can run Final Strike tripods and use Precise Dagger instead but of course that will be at a dps loss.
The difference between casting reflux and igniter is that with casting reflux, you’ll be lucky to hit mvp while with igniter, it will be surprising if you don’t have mvp.
The difference is gigantic. You get less dps increase from going +20 to +25 than going from casting reflux to igniter.