If this is what you want to play then do it, it shouldnt matter what other people say.
Now thats out of the way, the reason people arent excited about reflux casting is that its the lowest DPS spec of any meta sorc build at your ilevel.
Ive played all 5 of the “popular builds” in both trixion and real world settings. Every current raid out in NA. Its not terrible, but even piano flux would out dps it in most scenereos.
Side note: statements like “i mvp a lot, or cruel fighter a lot” so it must be fine are dumb. Where you show up on the mvp screen has no bearing one how viable a build is. Its only how you do in relation to others in that exact raid at that exact time. That sorc might have missed a doomsday, or pushed the boss in a mech mid burst. Name any meta class, and i have a 50% cruel fighter mvp with them on the screen. Doesnt mean my build is better than theirs, just i performed better at that instance on that raid.
i have 2 sorc alts. One is insta crit, the other is casting. They are 4x3 still, but i would say insta crit is just faster, more consistent damage. Still you can use doomsday in insta crit build as well for some of the content where destruction is needed. My casting alt was igniter before that. Well ignite sorc for me it’s too slow build, too risky build and i find it pretty boring to play. At the end play what you like and what you feel more comfortable.
I’ve played a lot of Igniter, Casting Reflux and Instacast. In terms of fun, I enjoyed casting reflux the most but it was definitely the weakest build out of the 3. I really tried to make it work and tried out many variations in trixion, but it’s always weaker than instacast. The gap will only become bigger in real raids because there’s more room for error for casting reflux vs instacast
However, it’s only weak relative to the other 2 builds. When I was casting reflux, I farmed MVP because of skill diff. You can clear any content with casting reflux and you can farm MVP against pugs
I play casting reflux from the beginning and i can say that it has the best of reflux and the best of igniter.
You have the frenetic game style of reflux and the big numbers of igniter (obviously not as high) But it is a build a bit trickier than piano because is more dependent on getting your big skills right. So it has a more challenging game style component comparing to piano imo.
Casting is a build that will be enjoyed by a person who likes nukes but hates the slow play style of igniter. And will be a build that a person who doesn’t like the need of constant accuracy will “hate”.
That is why ppl say that is the weakest of three i think, because is easier to lose DMG compared to piano. But if you get used to it…is fun and really strong.
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As a fellow Sorc main - I play casting reflux with final strike.
I made a change to my setup a few days ago and man its a day-night difference for me.
I still use Precise Dagger in my setup as we dont have bracelets yet.
I was about 65/35 with crit/swift and was doing really well. However I unlocked the LoS-18 card set and that made my crit just a little too low.
So i switched to max crit with swift on neck, and upgraded a few cooldown gems to level 8.
Now this build feels mega powerfull. Im hitting doomsday numbers i have never seen before.
Add a good bard/pala to that and you will have a great time seeing nice crit numbers, with very little downtime.
I enjoy the freedom of the class, blinking whenever i feel like it
I also watched a video some time ago about there not being any 1600+ casting reflux sorcs out there. So these tier lists are just calculated numbers on a target dummy for me.
I will stay with Casting Reflux until im sick of sorc. Igniter’s can kiss my @$$
A good player will utilize the most out of a relux build. They constantly and consistently attacking/moving neither close nor far range, for example, when hiding behind pillars from valtan in which igniter has that spec/crit build, long casting time, slower movement, and if they hit it hurts, if they dont…well shouldve went reflux lol jk . Theres two different playstyle, but they both still do the same job.
Reflux has damage problems, you might say well it’s non positional of course it’s lower, well, even compared with other non positional classes (hit master classes) they are 4-10% lower in dps (strongest build would be casting, all-out-attack, swift/crit with elemental tripods and raid captain), coupled with a bad rotation of skills some reflux players end up doing 30% less than other classes that have guides telling them what their rotations is.
If you enjoy the playstyle it’s a win anyway! I think the main issue is that igniter is pretty much broken and does some of the highest dps in the game (if you hit your stuff) so in comparison to that reflux cast is weaker, but if you compare it to other classes it’s totally fine. And also it’s as usual very dependent on the player. That’s always the biggest factor in this game, which I love. You bring the player not the class!
You have some major misconceptions of reflux sorc.
Yes it’s not a top dps class and can’t compete with igniter sorcs given equal gearing and playing skill, but it’s far from having damage problems. Casting reflux is only better than instant cast pre-relic. Once you have access to relic gear, nightmare set bonus solves the mana issue on instant cast reflux and casting reflux becomes the weakest reflux build.
Instant cast reflux also doesn’t have skill rotations. You literally just spam your synergy skill and cast whatever is off cd. There are little tricks you can do for animation cancel to cast skills or reposition faster but that’s about it.
But with all that said, I would still highly recommend reflux sorcs build Adrenaline, even at lvl 2 for a cheaper build. If you want to go extreme cheapskate on instant cast build, you can run Final Strike tripods and use Precise Dagger instead but of course that will be at a dps loss.
The difference between casting reflux and igniter is that with casting reflux, you’ll be lucky to hit mvp while with igniter, it will be surprising if you don’t have mvp.
The difference is gigantic. You get less dps increase from going +20 to +25 than going from casting reflux to igniter.
Instant reflux can not be the higher dmg in real raid combat, you cant keep up with the small cooldowns. In trixion, sure you can get 5% over all out attack casting reflux.
Casting reflux is the weakest sorc build at the moment, both in trixion and in real battle. You are usually dealing with targets that can move, and having to find good opportunities to full cast your 3 main dps skills. It’s a lot more reliant on animation cancel than instant cast reflux.
Also keep in mind there are 2 variants of instant cast reflux. You are probably thinking of the swift/piano build, which sounds stronger in theory but isn’t that practical in real battle. Whereas the crit build works perfectly fine in real battle as you have enough cdr to keep boundless (given that you are keeping uptime on skill casts) but not too much that you are losing casts.
The build is neither here nor there. And by that I mean you can enjoy some of the benefits of Reflux but not all and some minimal benefit from Doomsday that is Igniter specific while doing neither build justice. However, obviously, if you enjoy the build it doesn’t matter what other people think but that’s why you’re getting heat. It’s underperforming both builds while committing to none.
Instant crit sorc outdamage the casting version with at least 20-30% damage post relic. I have both builds on alts. Casting version is fun to play, but for the time the cd of the main skills are back, i would have done double damage with insta crit. With the relic set and high cd gems, the insta crit is almost similar to the swift insta. Barely have any cd. Casting reflux is a weaker version of igniter. if you have fun with this build, better change the class engraving.
unfortunately is a not a good dps despite how fun it is to play. youre always on the bottom for some reason even when you cast just as often as instant cast. 75% crit and max tripods. I’m sad i made the build because of how low the dps is and the gatekeeping. its super fun to play but just doesnt do enough damage even when you swap out the counter for another attack.
