Wait, so it's fine to move gold between accounts, but not rosters?

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Apologies in advance for the frustrated tone, but given the recent verdict from the community managers, (see below) and as someone who has spent a large amount of time building up a roster on a second server, I can’t help but feel somewhat cheated.

Some background information:

We are allowed to have multiple accounts, and share between them, but not multiple rosters?

If this is the case, why limit adventure islands, and the blooming mokokos event to be per account, and not per roster? It seems to me that this limitation only makes sense to prevent players from making a character on every server to take advantage of the free daily/weekly gold on offer, which is pointless if we’re not allowed to transfer gold between them.

If someone wants to play multiple rosters, and funnel the resources to their main, why not allow them to do it without having to go through the task of creating two accounts? If it’s in the spirit of maintaining fair play, why is mailing gold between multiple accounts exempt from the same restrictions?

Allowing people to create multiple accounts and mail between themselves on the same server, but punishing people for transferring gold between their characters on different servers through the auction house doesn’t make sense. If this is all on the grounds that it’s “an unintended use of the market,” then it should be enforced universally, or not at all.

If paying for a bus using the auction house is allowed (literally using the auction house to transfer gold to a character on a different server,) and mailing gold from one of your accounts to another is allowed, then it doesn’t make sense to limit usage of the auction house to send gold between rosters on different servers.

It seems to me that it only makes sense to either:

  • Allow players to mail between servers,

  • Allow players to use the auction house to move gold freely between their rosters, or;

  • Explicitly disallow players from having multiple accounts and sharing between them.

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Yes but no maybe sometimes absolutely not.

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You think just because they say something isn’t allowed people aren’t going to do it? :clown_face:

How many times have you ever gone over the speed limit in your life?

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If you’re allowed to create multiple accounts and share between them, the “speed limit” is basically moot.

It’s more like you’re not allowed to go over 60MPH on the road, but you can go as fast as you want if you drive on the sidewalk, which is somehow allowed.

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That comparison is quite good.

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I feel like it illustrates the problem quite well. The real question is whether or not amazon will actually do anything about it.

I’m fine writing off my other roster if they decide that sending resources to yourself isn’t allowed, and I’m fine with creating another account to play on my home server for more income if nothing changes, but I think the biggest problem is the fact that amazon hasn’t meaningfully addressed any of these concerns, and give us a definitive set of rules that they will enforce across the board.

I’m fine with just one roster, if those are the rules.

I’m fine with 2 accounts, if it’s acually allowed.

What I’m NOT fine with is wishy washy rules like we’ve had up to this point.

When asking if using the auction house to move gold is okay, we get:

There is no specific ruling where you cannot use the Auction House to move items between your personal accounts, however, that is not the primary function of the Auction House.

Source: Verdict? Are we allowed to transfer gold between rosters on the same account? - #3 by Fenrirskoll

Which seems to suggest that it isn’t against the rules

And this:

Using the “Auction House” to move goods may actually be considered a way around a restriction: In this case, the restriction is how the game does not presently allow certain transfers between regions/ servers. As such, we cannot guarantee you will or won’t be penalized but the terms cover how it may be.

Source: Verdict? Are we allowed to transfer gold between rosters on the same account? - #5 by Fenrirskoll

Which suggests that while it’s not explicitly against the rules, it could theoretically be interpreted to be.

Then, when pressing for an answer, we get:

In regards to clear and consistent expectations in regards to behavior that may be penalized, our Terms of Service and Rules always have precedence over any other form of communication and we may enforce these in any scenario as deemed fit.

Source: Verdict? Are we allowed to transfer gold between rosters on the same account? - #13 by Fenrirskoll

Which basically boils down to: We don’t have to tell you the rules. Even if you ask someone from support, or one of the CMs, and they tell you that something is allowed, you can still be banned for it.

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I really don’t mean to be a thorn in anyone’s side, but can we get someone like @Roxx or @Sandovall to give us a definite verdict as to what the rules are, instead to having to speculate?

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The link provided dosnt talk about exchange of gold between roaster but between server wich isnt the same.

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If you have more than one roster on the same account, by absolute necessity, they need to be on different servers, but for clarity, I’ll edit the first post.

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they dont, you just buy char slot and do it on the same serv ?

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That’s the same roster… Why would somebody want/need to send gold to/from characters that share the same gold pool?

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Hmmm… interessting posts.

Maybe it´ll be time to create some new Accounts and push my Main with it, as it is allowed, sometimes.

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I feel like the CM or whatever that said you cant move between servers was just wrong. Cause rox has came out and said that bussing is allowed, and thats literally using the AH to move gold between servers, its just not moving it to yourself but between different people.

They both basically said the opposite thing so one of them is wrong lol. Also its very common practice in KR to be doing raids on two different servers but same account.

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as near as I can tell, using multiple accounts and funneling gold is A-OK as far as the rules appear to be concerned. And as long as you never use an external tool to play the accounts simultaneously, no problem. (multi-boxing) If you were to play the accounts at the same time - manually - no issue.

Also no issue with playing multiple rosters on the same account, with just the fairly insane CM comment about the AH standing in the way of funneling the gold. I don’t think you’d actually have an issue with this part, just avoid triggering whatever parameters they have set their AH script to for getting flagged accidentally - you don’t want to get autobanned by accident.

An official statement clarifying the free market status of the AH would be appreciated. (and an ongoing thread asking for exactly this is in progress here - Official statement about Multiple account - #27 by CriticalCore - Shadow Fox promised to look into clarifying this two weeks ago, we haven’t heard a word since.

All the described behavior is pretty standard in Korea, so if there is an actual issue with funneling gold it would be at the discretion of AGS.

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To quote one of the CMs from launch times: “You should be fine.”
I sadly fogot who it was, and I cannot find the screenshot or original comment anymore.

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I suppose for clarity, I should include the reponse that prompted this all in the first place which I thought I had done, but somehow neglected.

The Auction House is not intended for “gold transfers” and using it for unintended purposes can indeed get you banned. With that in mind, there is no cross-server method of gold transferring, therefore we suggest not abusing any system tools to try and do so as that can also get you banned.

Source: Updated gold transfer info? - #2 by Fenrirskoll

Which seems pretty unambiguous.

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This one?

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that is stupid at best… how a legit transaction is not using AH as intended? if you put there an item say 5k when other person buys it, it does not matters in which server, the ah gets the tax AND the gold is going from server A to server B, why does it matter if the item is bought by other person in server B or the same person with his roster on server B??? how is that not using the AH as intended?

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Because you are essentially using the AH to bypass the weekly gold caps on your main roster… which is not intended.

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If that’s the ruling, then they shouldn’t allow people to have multiple accounts to do the same thing.

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