"we care about your feedback" to "nah we gonna drip feed classes"

[bartholomeus.celine]

Shhh, don’t speak too loud, they might unlist this thread like the others.

[Kuronian]

Player feedback is always ignored by AGS.

You made a decision based on greedness, and money making. And AGS will pay the consecuences, seeing people leave… Well it doesn’t really matter because your game is full of bots so the population will still be the same.

[Riri]

I mean have you done ultimate or savage as a healer

Edit: Not gona expand on this topic cz this is ffxiv topic in details I am not gona go in depth on LA Forums - Healer in ffxiv is a whole different issue that I know why it is what it is and it is definitely NOT for drip feeding purposes. Yoshi.P explained why too Clearly you don’t know but anyway:

Please stop replying to me ty due to written reason above

[LOAfan]

You don’t need to type the word “money” … we see it in the actions the company is taking and the direction the game is heading in.

Actions speak louder than words. Just sad.

[Teno]

All of it yes. Have you ? By the looks of it you clearly have no clue. Because it is precisely in savage and ultimate that the gameplay pales even more. Save for a few very heavy raid busters in the first week of prog where you need to use your gcd for something other than dps. Even DSR, the latest ultimate, is the same. An 80-85% of the time spamming one spell + its dot refresh. Please educate yourself on the subject. There is a reason for things over there. Devs listen to what they want to listen and what the data tells them.

[svalr93]

They didn’t listen to the overwhelmingly negative censorship changes in beta and at launch, should’ve been a warning sign way back then that they don’t care about the players think.

Same with the demon form change that looks absolutely horrible they just gave a dumb excuse for it and then started deleting threads about it.

[Hopes]

yea.

[uplateforever]

I love looking like a dark cockroach scurrying around 70% of the time

[cloarecjocelyn]

That she’s joking the only elements that are really taken into account is the money he earns from the loot box, you must have a nice salary Roxx to lie to us openly like that, honestly I would be wrong to be an Amazon employee because none of you respect yourself or the players!

[KVN]

@Roxx

Player feedback is always shared, listened to, and considered, however it is not the only factor

You mean it’s not even A factor right ? Right ?

[Drudia]

[Adgaroth]

@Roxx

Regardless of profit, isn’t it better to support the long-term health of the game so that players can enjoy it for several years as opposed to it having a much shorter lifecycle?

@Roxx I would love to hear WHY 2month/1class would make us enjoy the game several years more than 1month/1class. You’re saying IT WILL, I’m pretty sure a lot of ppl would like to hear how and why.

[Gnome64]

@Thery

Well… See you in 2024

Good luck guys.

Welcome to the community.

lol.

@Gaara

how did they even come up with this idea?? its literally them slowly releasing classes to extend the “life” of the game to keep people wanting more. But literally all its going to do is the opposite by making players leave.

I almost feel like it’s an insecurity developed after New World. “But it’s SG not AGS that’s doing this!” They wouldn’t have meetings if they didn’t have a say.

@Mirumi

I’m sure you’ve got a lot on your plate. I would like to show real data.

KRMMOS have always had social stigma here in the west, they have been faced with prejudices such as depiction of sexual outfits, child characters aka elin, censorship, and most prominently p2w. They have also been heavily criticized due to releasing years after their KR version resulting in many things being behind including classes.

There has NEVER in western history been success with releasing a class later and delayed. The data you show is sadly flawed. What you see is some players coming back but a lot of players permanently quit. The only successful KRMMOS are blade and soul which purposefully released newer classes asap for the reason of player demand, and bdo which faced heavy criticism and turned around to do the same which resulted in higher player retention.

Now i would like to point to 2 recent gamez that show how it actually hurt the game. GMS2 has this issue and players were very upset. They were forced to play other classes waiting for the make striker and soul binder. Many quit waiting for them, and when asked if they would come back, most communities didn’t because they either devoted their new time to a new game or they would be put too far behind.

Another recent game on steam that did this was SOLO with fox mage. Same thing occurred. They were forced to play other classes holding on to names and waiting, however by the time fox came out, their attention was pushed else where. Even guide makers went back to TW because the investment needed to catch up is just too much.

No one is saying AGS cant collect data, we just want to understand why this data is better than every player asking? Your player retention data has never been proven in any game ever released. With KR, that data is a brand new class that never existed. That isn’t the same as our situation. With RU, it was let’s be honest, mostly western players waiting and trying new classes into NA/EU release. The same thing will haplen in RU with artist this June, those won’t be retainable players but players getting familiar with artist and quitting.

I’m not saying bring artist first, I’m suggesting your data does not represent the best interest of the community or the games health as every 2 month not only hurts our progress, it will encourage rmt like we saw with countless t3 destroyers.

Honestly, if this post doesn’t get through to them, I don’t know what will.

@ricardos_92

All the good that Gold River and his team do is being overshadowed by AGS sadly.

This is why I refuse to give AGS the benefit of the doubt when they talk about control over what’s implemented. Recently I believe they’ve stated “we’re both working together on this,” but you can tell they have most of the say when it comes to things like class releases.

@tusux

Even those that already have their mains and are playing right now, have a bitter aftertaste with what that new release frequency. Maybe their friend was waiting for that new class, maybe they wanted to make an alt out of it, etc. And by the that time next year, KR will have released aeromancer and possibly another class already. We’ll get all their classes in 2-3 years with this rate lol.

So…the friend I gave all my gold to hasn’t been online Steam for 2 days now. He was on every day prior.

I don’t know if he quit, but it’s a bit sad to see. He let me know it was a bummer that I was quitting, and that some of the new content coming looked exciting. He’s looking forward to Reaper, but pretty much has his main now; even then, he understood my position in quitting.

@Teno

All of it yes. Have you ? By the looks of it you clearly have no clue. Because it is precisely in savage and ultimate that the gameplay pales even more. Save for a few very heavy raid busters in the first week of prog where you need to use your gcd for something other than dps. Even DSR, the latest ultimate, is the same. An 80-85% of the time spamming one spell + its dot refresh. Please educate yourself on the subject. There is a reason for things over there. Devs listen to what they want to listen and what the data tells them.

FF14 healing is indeed quite sad compared to WoW. The classes are cool, don’t get me wrong, but they could be so much better. I prefer Sage over Scholar for a few reasons, but having a couple more DPS buttons is actually one of them. Overall Sage just has more interesting interactions, while Scholar feels like being a resto shaman in TBC/vanilla WoW. T_T

I’ve only healed P1S on my Sage (I started FF14 late last year) and while that was fun, it does seem far too formulaic with barriers/aoe heals/dps, etc… in dungeons, depending on your tank, you may just be a 4th DPS. Kinda boring o_O

My main however, is a Samurai…and I’m very sad that they neutered Kaiten, and not re-added despite so much negative feedback regarding that decision. This lack of respect from the devs is similar to what I’m feeling for Lost Ark right now, but for FF14 it has a different result.

Basically, gutting my class in FF14 simply turned me into a story-andy. I will only reactivate for the story, and not bother with other endgame content. For Lost Ark? Uh…playing for the story itself isn’t really enticing.

But yeah, all devs have their issues, and ultimately tend to be the deciding factor for me when it comes to continuing to play.

[Rushia]

You forgot to add “You have been suspended”.

[Drudia]

now why would i add that ive been memeing for days

[Rushia]

Some got suspended for disagreing with their take during the shitshow.

[Riri]

My point on ffxiv was about how the dev listens and how they are always transparent about why they do things when they do and not be sketchy like LA has been doing as of late. Although it’s very clear it’s for dripfeeding purposes at this point. It was NOT about what the healer gameplay lacks in ffxiv

I play sage exactly because how lackluster it is to heal on let’s say, white mage. I don’t touch scholar since it’s not my type of gameplay but all my healers are level 90 while I main reaper.

Funfact + TLDR VER: The reason why ffxiv healer became easy asf is because majority of the people complained how hard it was to heal + Att at the same time.

Also catering to new players as a long term factor.

Then later other parts of players complained how easy it became and so they gave birth to sage.

Sigh. Your annoying lol Can you please stop replying to me ffs. Actually this would be my last reply even if you reply lmao

[Gnarl]

b-but the highly paid business intelligence team clearly found out Arcana was the best thing to release based on product performance and feedback.

I think the AI community sentiment robot they made to collect all this data, thought Artist meant Arcana, since they are so close in name and someone misspelled the coding.

[Heremis]

@Roxx

I am not sure where “money” is coming from, as it is not a word anywhere in my post. Yes, this is a business, and of course to some degree it is important to generate revenue so we can continue to support the game and keep it live. Regardless of profit, isn’t it better to support the long-term health of the game so that players can enjoy it for several years as opposed to it having a much shorter lifecycle?

@Roxx

things like data, business intelligence

Means in other words, MONEY!

And your argument of keeping the game on long-term i can counter aswell:

The game is still updated from the Developer, even if you decide to release all the Content, it still gets updated with new Content, so the long-term is secured, because it is still in development.

So yeah, its like we all know already, you try to MILK us!!!

Your decisions will make this game shutdown and you are not the first publisher experiencing, that a playerbase, is what you want to keep healthy and entertained.

Maybe you guys should work on Honing your business intelligence…

[jakemm55]

At 2 months per class, we’ll be caught up in less than a year… its like you guys think theres 12 missing classes… we’re only missing Summoner, Scouter, Reaper, and Artist…