“We need a kingdom of fear”
No you don’t.
Not in the current situation.
I think you are disagreeing with me to disagree.
Saying that a game company that promotes gambling and tries to get their players to spend money just to progress through the game has integrity is a bit far fetched at the very least. I would say the majority would disagree with you on this point. negative integrity here.
RMT players spend much more than normal players in the Shop that’s actually proven. Whales that RMT generally max out their spending limit before resorting to RMT. Your speculation/how you feel doesn’t apply here.
Its like people are buying vegetables but they are using a specific pesticide that’s giving people cancer. You want to kill off the people that are eating the vegetables rather than find a different method to grow the vegetables. It makes no sense at all.
Yeah, I think my side of the convo is beyond that… I didn’t think we were still talking about old stuff.
The most common argument from the soft approach not working folks … is the assumption the bans/warnings/suspensions aren’t working, not actually happening, and have failed. We don’t know this, it’s the big ‘assumption’ this group uses so they can get their talking points to make sense.
Which is cool, it’s an assumption. The issue is they propose bandaid fixes, almost like they’re the RMTers themselves. Seeking short-term bans cause losing accounts don’t matter, gold is cheap.
The other part of this convo is, that banning them, and warning them happens + is working to a degree but why does the demand continue to go up. Why are there even more bots now than before?
People are indeed scared and are aware they can/will be banned. You don’t RMT? I don’t, so there is FEAR. So this FEAR is supposed to WORK, so why did the demand go up?
It’s not working b/c the RMTers aren’t scared to begin with… they know gold is cheap enough to just RMT again at dirt cheap prices. So RMTer #451122 gets banned and they just go right back to an RMT service and another item is back on the AH for sale. RMT services know they need to pump more bots their customers need to restart and this endless cycle repeats for every new/old customer.
So how is this idea of fear supposed to scare cheaters lol? Just fucking fix the game systems instead of doing all this baby stuff. Change how gold is moved around and RMT dies.
I’m really not. We both want the game to be successful. Its okay to disagree with each other as far as what we believe is best for the game to be successful.
I mean have you seen the servers recently? 500k+ bots in the game. HALF A MILLION and that number continues to grow despite all their efforts. I’m not assuming anything. By any metric that is the definition of failure.
There is no bandaid fix for this problem. It is a very complex issue that will require a multitude of changes to both the core mechanics of the game as well as changes in policy. The simplest short term fix for this RIGHT NOW is to implement stricter punishments and beef up detection and means of tracking AH transactions. I dont care if they ban players permanently or for 30 days or delete their characters but they need to do more than ban them for 3 days because that is just not acceptable. Its a no risk scenario for the offending party. Bottom line is that something here needs to change.
They can’t just keep banning bot accounts and expect a different outcome. It doesn’t even slow them down anymore. Their systems are so refined now that within 24 hours they are back in the game at full force.
People clearly do NOT have any fear. That is why there is so much demand. Because people know that they will likely get away with it and beyond that even if they are caught they are extremely unlikely to receive a permanent ban. This needs to change. Telling people that they will just receive a slap on the wrist is the same as telling them that its acceptable.
Its never that simple. In order to fix this problem without attacking it from both sides would require large systemic changes to the core of the game as well as restructuring their account creation processes. Things that AGS and SGR have proven to be unwilling to do. I and many others have been suggesting these changes for months now with no real changes outside of implementing the steam restricted access system, which did absolutely nothing.
lol so what’s the point right? People want RMT to disappear while not budging or being willing to compromise on anything within the game. You guys want them to solve the problem from OUTSIDE the game.
Personally, rmt doesn’t affect me at all as I can afford most things in the game by just doing dailies.
People clearly do NOT have any fear. That is why there is so much demand. Because people know that they will likely get away with it and beyond that even if they are caught they are extremely unlikely to receive a permanent ban. This needs to change. Telling people that they will just receive a slap on the wrist is the same as telling them that its acceptable.
If there was no fear, then we can assume every single one of us are RMTers. Your logic doesn’t make any sense. You’re self-incriminating yourself.
You are assuming cheaters will be scared, and won’t re-offend or just quit… this is why you think brute-forcing bans for the next few years is how you strike fear into the minds of cheaters lol. If that was the case, RMT wouldn’t exist anywhere, cause it’s simply just ban! Crazy take but it is what it is at this point, we can agree to disagree.
Let there be fear! I approve too.
"No kingdom ruled through fear is a kingdom worth ruling "
Since we are getting poetic
How about
“I will liken him to a wise man, who built his house on a rock … Everyone who hears these words of mine, and doesn’t do them will be like a foolish man, who built his house on the sand”
So you believe Lost Ark is built on integrity regardless of the Gambling and Predatory practices. And that we wouldn’t have whales if the bots disappeared and RMT wasn’t a thing.
I’m going to say 100% that you are wrong in that regard.
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How do I believe it’s built on integrity when I’m criticizing the monetization that causes RMT? lol this a reading comprehension issue on your end or am i missing something?
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"BUT NO KINGDOM RULED THROUGH FEAR IS A KINGDOM WORTH RULING"
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Thank you. Been saying this for weeks. It’s not even about harsher punishment which everyone seems to think. Punishment rate is way too low right now.
you need that not the game needs that
we need actions , depending on the player’s fear is worthless.
Funny how the Roman Empire, Roman Republic, Holy Roman Empire(s), Persian Empire, Egyptian Empire(s), Greek city states (all of em.) and every single modern nation state ‘aren’t worth ruling’ by that metric, isn’t it?
Gonna be a fun quote to meme, that’s for sure.
To paraphrase Heinlien: “Force is the ultimate arbiter in human affairs.”
Or to quote Armored Core “God is Force.”
Zero positivity zero creativity reporting in.
Please post more simpleton statements like
Jesus Christ dude, are you what comes in the box when someone orders a large normy?
“Well I for one think eating your own shit is bad, I know some people are going to call me radical for that but those are just the beliefs I was raised with”
You should make a Twitter account and call it @GoldFishThoughts.
The main thing that struck me, especially with F2Players, is that they really want everything for free. If you confront an F2P with the fact that basically the F2P friendly system makes botting possible in the first place and therefore the solution lies in establishing more P2W elements, they don’t like it either. They don’t want to pay the price of an entirely bot-free game, yet they expect the impossible.
You get rid of bot RMT players and bots you braindead clown.
P2W elements are what’s enabling the bots, that’s why people seek cheaper alternatives.