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T1 andy
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The Korean player in the video that gave us a link to the thread has been banned for nothing.
if it was about money Argos gear would be sellable, they would sell materials on the shop as they do in KR they would release weekly skins and farm your wallet for all it has. Like what are we children? how is this about money why do you need to spend for no reason there is legit NOTHING worth getting to 1370 for that is worth spending. This content will NEVER be irrelevant and no one will miss out on it just because they didn’t make it to week one. Also, every MMO has a wall, or have we as an MMO community not ground week after week in raids just to not have our loot drop so we need to wait a whole nother week to maybe get an upgrade or how many of us have run thousands of the same boss just to get the amount. Your opportunities to upgrade on a daily basis are plentiful and sometimes you miss sometimes you hit but in T3 when percentages drop to1 3-10% what then? buff that too? no, you can’t just make it easy out the gate on a new launch. They cant give us 100% skip a level every upgrade T1 and T2 out the gate because the player base would get hit hard when they finally get to T3 and realize honing can suck mad eggs they would be jaded by the bliss of easy upgrade for 2 tiers.
Also, Amazon isn’t driving the ship they are the publisher of the game, not developers so keep the blame for allowing this to happen on Smilegate and Amazon. Smilegate is not a publically traded company and is owned by 1 person the Gold River himself so he has full control of what happens in his game full stop.
That is probably also why our roadmap is taking longer than it should as Smilegate is the one making it as Amazon is relaying the info to them and they are talking back and forth about player feedback etc.
None of that has anything to do with the points in my thread, if you simply go and look you will see what you are saying is not the problem. You are arguing with a strawman that is not my argument.
Literally in the same reply.
Same reply.
Same reply.
At the top of the thread.
I am not here to argue with you. I am here to make the game better.
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You seem to be missing the point, Rainne. The honing rates themselves, on their own, are not the problem. Rather, it’s the fact that they already released Argos but didn’t up the honing rates to go along with it: creating pressure on T3 players to either get there as quickly as possible or be left in the dust. This isn’t achievable for most people due to work etc., nor is it reasonable to expect from new players who are still trying to enjoy the honeymoon phase of the game.
It essentially leaves anyone who does not pay big $ or grind 10-15 hours a day at a massive disadvantage.
Keep in mind that the vast majority of western players are also new to the game, so it’s not as if everyone has already worked out the best method of blazing through to Argos without spending money.
So why such a big disadvantage, you ask?
Running Argos on a single character nets players roughly 3,000-4,800 gold per day. This can be done on multiple characters, so those with alts can do this several times in a 24-hour period.
In addition to the vastly higher rate of gold earned, the best equipment, accessories, etc. also come from Argos. This means that whales and .001% of players will be absolutely dominating the market and more or less control the economy, and this will cause a power difference that is everlasting. This is not just a short term problem: this will have ramifications for years to come if the problem is not corrected quickly.
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That guy isnt even near T3, he just cant understand what you’re talking about. He’s just hating on people complaining about valid points.
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I almost completely agree with this critique. Game devs, as if they really wanted people to suffer through poor honing rates, and so s(low) mats acummulation. It’s discouraging and demotivating.
There’s not much to do after you complete your daily’s, guardians, procyon compass events… and you’re done. And you can do it in 1-2h tops. What to do after that? Go adenturer’s tome? Ok. But we all know what’s the main thing we want i ngames like this - better gear.
People already gave many good suggestions on the future fixes. Nerfing honing rates is one thing. i.e. - make stronghold honing research available as soon as you enter t3?!?
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Im dissapointed all the valid critizism here hasnt been adressed. I think once the issue is known and there’s no feedback from them you can guess this is all intended. And further complaints are pretty much pointless.
Its much more productive to stop playing and paying for auras and buying stuff. Vote with your wallet. There are tons of leisure options out there. You can imagine if they see game population and revenue dropping they may do something. 
Complaining about the food while you keep eating it never solved anything.
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I have the feeling the market has already been compromised. Theres too much gold around. Dont know the reason: bots, duplicated founder packs with cosmetics tjat were.sold, etc. Whatever the reason I see people with absurd amounts of gold and in my server auctions for engravings are out of reach for all of my guildmates.
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Gold is also a problem. It was caused by the bots, yes, in the sense there is too much, and in the sense that there is not enough. Bots were the problem, and AGS has handled them poorly enough, so that they are still the problem, and the game is also worse for legitimate players to get gold.
Their solution to the bots was to harm the new player experience and the amount of available gold for people F2P further by removing all gold from quests and rapport. They made lazy blanket bans on a massive scale that hit people just idle clicking to stop themselves from being AFK.
These are lazy blanket bans, they need to make a system that actually works. A bot will not sit and do nothing for hours with one click every 20-30 minutes. A player will. The reason players are doing it is because EU servers are not up to scratch, and they don’t want to sit in queue for hours.
AGS has bad support, it’s all Indian call centre support that have copy/paste responses to give you. It is extremely rare to find someone that will care at all about your problem, and not just paste a response and move on. If you get banned, you are staying that way until your suspension ends. Which is why they have stopped permanently banning people, because that forces them to actually do something.
AGS has also undermanned the forums, somehow we have 3 active CMs that act as the real support team and I am pretty sure they are busy with a whole lot more than just managing the community, it seems all of them are very pressed for time always.
It is clearly because of how much money they are trying to make, with as little resources to put in for us as possible. Hiring more CMs, support that knows what they’re talking about, costs more money. Hiring people that can code a system that effectively catches the bots, costs more money. They are simply not moving at a pace or upgrading their systems at a rate that is good enough. AGS is clearly not struggling for money. SmileGate is clearly not struggling for money. They are working with margins more than they are players, because they have no passion to put in the game for us. Maybe a few people that work for them love this game, but I haven’t seen them, so how could I know.
Just putting this here because it will make even the salty, smile, I think.
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Im not salty anymore, just stopped playing the game. But that made me laugh, thx 
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tldr…
i waited that i could farm in this game.
Now what i do
i make new alt to farm more daily stuff.
i have 1 main + 3 alts
i think it takes around 1 - 2 hours to get all dailies + chaos d and maybe one or two cubes or boss rush if i get ticket. Then i feel i can just click the game off.
feels like after 1350 i do my dailies and chaos d fail 2 - 3 times max on honing and what i get for that? maybe 5% more honing chance for next time xD
You slowly work your way up to 1415 for next content by getting alts to 1370, farming out Argos and Nightfox, and funnelling all of your farm to your main.
I hope they just buff honing rates so they can release general raids soon, I agree, it’s a pretty boring game without them.
yep, slowly… slowly… i bet it will take 2 month for me. without any p2w. I Got extra time, not extra money. Its bad people who got extra money, not extra time get better results… I believe i started 2 weeks too late this game to even play this anymore. I believe it was easy for people who started first day, They made alts after main and farmed t1 t2 stuff, sold them and bought blue crystals and t3 mats. Now its kinda imposible, so only way to get your gear up is your lack of daily content.
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Hello me Amazon games 4 years data i have
Oops i made it harder than vanilla ke changed ilvl but gave u chosen gear bw happy guys f2p have it good its ok that whales are done with content till kuku satan if their 1475-1490 who cares right being done with the game for the next 1 year f2p can catch up with doing nothing
Until u have so many mats that u brute force to valtan poggerS
We didnt release honing buffs cause of feedback like we said it was feedback from our cash grab team would be bad idea how should people pay 2 progress than
Same with all mat income no release bro imagine u guys actually going t3 who gives money cause we cant give skins yet have to censor booba and paint npc black and shit
Ty for your feedback
We want to be brutally honest in not being honest
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And let me add one more thing in new comment. Why i feel this game is made for players who work 247 and give money to amazon? There is games where you can input your time and gain advantage by playing alot. I thought that is the “grinding” game i want to find. If somebody call it grinding you do one dungeon everyday -.-. Can we have lower tier 3 content where you can just sit,smoke and get mats
What we need is classes first, so we can actually enjoy the content with the class of our choice
It’s not a new game though, it’s just a different region. That’s why people are so frustrated, since they can’t help but wonder, why are we paced at the original pace instead of being fast tracked to the legion raids? It’s a big question that AGS/Smilegate doesn’t answer. They already said they want to release at an accelerated rate and have players experience legion raids, but currectly it’s so grindy to even get to 1400. It’s a grind to get to t3, but that’s nowhere near the end, then its a grind from 1340-1370, but that’s also not the end, and finally its a grind from 1370 to 1415. That’s 3 phases of huge grinds in a game that’s supposed to catch up to the other regions