https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/wbqrpi/a_discussion_about_scaling_issues_with_pinnacle/ This thread answers everything about Pinnacle. I’m switching my Glaivier to control at 1445 since I detest increased mass and having to use red skills outside of spear throw/starfall but it seems the only viable 5th engravings are increased mass/raid captain (3+ red skill build)
That’s great information, now I’m starting to see why ambush is prefered on control glavier, this gave some ideas to try, thanks!
Yeah I’ve had a long talk with the glaivier channel in the LA disc about it and consensus seems to be pinnacle is perfectly fine but at 1445 if you really want to invest and get a lot more stronger from the gold investment. control is much safer/stronger thanks to entropy + their engraving choices being really solid and the gameplay doesn’t feel as clunky since you have so much swiftness.
I wouldnt say Control is stronger nor weaker. They are on kinda the same powerlevel. I prefer Pinnacle because Control is boring for me.
The class itself is mid between the DPS classes.
how they are on the same level when pinnacle have way more crit rate and 50% crit power from buffs ?
On relic level they kinda do the same dmg (maybe pinnacle slightly more but not much).
Yes you get crit rate but with pinnacle you go spec+swift and control u go swift+crit. You will use more spells with control in the same time then pinnacle because you have faster attack speed, lower cd with almost the same engravings.
But here is a Reddit comment that write it down right: https://www.reddit.com/r/lostarkgame/comments/w2sz3j/comment/igs8js4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Not sure about powerlevel but personally I don’t like to lose skills so haven’t reserched anything about control and so I prefer pinnacle too.
I’ll be practicing my butt chasing skills to see if ambush master is worth for me, if not then I guess raid capitain will be next
Glaivier control have a few builds, with the strongest (requiring more experience) being going ambush master + entrophy, but u can also if u don’t main it but wanna have a decent and strong easy alt, build it with 4pc dominion 2 nightmare and forget ambush master, glaivier crit pretty often even outside back attack buff, which make removing keep blunt (people will go wild now) and putting even spirit absorption makes it feel better and combo very well with raid capt, pinnacle have not much choices, even with kr buff it still lack what control have = choices, weapon swap animation is not fast, then u have to charge the spear, that takes a precious few seconds just to use a single skill, while a very good entrophy class like shock scrapper can do her full rotation in the same time.
So, how would your build look like? Control, grudge, spirit absorption, raid capitan and ?
Control goes crit/swift, right? does she cap mov speed with that? not sure about SA with glavier tho…
i use spirit absorption on mine, work just fine, it changes the pacing of the class, ofc swapping to adrena gives more dps, but for a alt i rather enjoy the gameplay than tryhard the max dps possible, so my build goes with control, grudge, raid and spirit, if 5 engraving, adrena goes to 5, with 2 night 4 dominion it work like a charm, back attack itself (without any engraving or entrophy) increases ur crit rate, but honestly for glaivier control, if u are not invested into the ‘‘i must go behind at all cost’’ meta, u can just play it braindead, control is not a burst class, theres no semi burst like pinnacle, so ambush + entrophy job is to make it stronger since it feels weak, control playstyle is similar to reflux full swiftness, if you with 2 night/4domin or even 4 night/2domin can have a dps uptime higher than a control ambush + entrophy, u will end doing basically the same or closer dps.
Oooooh very nice! I’ll give it a thought, I have to give those sets a closer look, thanks for thw tips!
Koreans mocking us with Spirit Absorption for a good reason. That engraving is totally useless especially on glavier. Thats 1 engraving wasted.
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like i said, it changes the pacing, not everything is about doing the highest dps possible, enjoying the class is also a must.
But I guess you enjoying it more, if you have dmg with that class.
implying it does no dmg due to spirit ab, same as not doing any dmg if no grudge ? okay next.
I don’t get why this guy is being so aggressive about it. You acknowledged that it’s less damage and you do it for feel over performance.
Now I would look at your build, snort, judge internally but still invite you as long as everything else was in order and it’s valtan or vykas, it’s not like DPS is the issue with those anyways.
i apologize for over reacting, my bad
I just gave an advice that dont waste gold and pheon on useless build when you can buy a decent gear with that money.
And LA has elitist puggers. Its 1 thing that you have 4-5x3 but if there is 1 engraving that shouldnt be there then you wont get invite and glavier is one of the class that has no alternative engravings so its easy to check if the build is ok or not.
Yes you can build everything, you can build necromancy too if you feel that comfortable, but you wont get any invite I guarantee it.
c’mon guys this wasn’t exactly what the thread was about, thanks for the pheon advice but that’s it, from where I see it is just simply different play styles, some like it bursty some like it comfy as long it has some sense behind it, for me an actual trolly build would be using ambush master and hit master for example or master tenacity with stabilized status.
I idea was to share what is fun/working for you and maybe some reasoning behind it and that’s what I got
I personally have my Glaiver (1435) built-out like this:
Grudge 3, Keen Blunt 3, Ambush MAster 3, Pinnacle 3, Awa 1.
I really tried to like Mass Increase, but it was such a big turn off i almost stopped playing my Valky alt.
So i have changed to this, and since i main back attack DPS classes, i felt more comfortable with Ambush Master. I also paly with 3 red, and Thrust is hard to always land from back, the other 2 can be reliably hit from the back and they’re your two biggest hitting skill.
You don’t gain much from the 10% crit on red skills, but on blue it is noticeable and brings you close to 80% crit on these skills.
Also, Mass Increase is unplayable without Salvation +10% attackspeed set bonus, as the -10% attackspeed is NOTICEABLE. Even if you don’t run Ambush Master, you want to hit the boss from the back, which is 10% crit AND 5% damage. If you run Mass Increase, you’ll feel more free to hit the target from anywhere, cutting yourself out from 5% free damage. Having Ambush Master forces you to priorize the back.
Personally even if i reach 1445 on my valk, i’ll try to build out lvl2 awa on her and run Dominion 4, 2 Nightmare. I’ll never ever run Mass Increase on her, i rather like her being spammy.