The original lawsuit in The Netherlands was appealed and ruled Fifa loot boxes were not gambling, so it is currently irrelevant to the release. It was appealed in March, far earlier than June.
For some reason they think a for profit business would give up revenue in an entire region because of one country. It’s wild.
I also think they have done 0 research and just parrot something they saw streamers say at this point. It takes literally 2 seconds to google it. Can’t be bothered to fact check though.
While RU does get cloth as an option from their beatrice’s blessing login duration rewards, You only get 1 a day. With a 10% chance of a legendary skin, you’d have to spend 14 + 7 * 9 = 77 cloth on average for a single legendary (assuming you recycled failed rolls for the half refund). That’s 2.5 months of login rewards to roll 1 legendary, let alone a whole set (308 cloth, on average).
Additionally, in all regions, skins received via events or otherwise for free from the game (like the chaos dungeon skins) can not be dismantled for cloth. Only skins bought from the cash shop can be dismantled.
The FIFA lawsuit was overruled because the court held that because the packs were opened “primarily obtained for gameplay reasons” and that the value was based more around full account sales than individual cards, the FIFA Ultimate Team packs were not a game of chance since it could not be isolated from the FIFA game as a whole and therefore the Dutch Gaming Authority did not have jurisdiction to issue fines to EA. You can argue that Yoz Jar is still obtained “primarily for gameplay” but the link is much weaker due to it having an insignificant effect on actual gameplay and power, and more importantly, the value of each “prize” can be isolated individually because there is a sanctioned ingame auction house for player exchange.
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According to the people on the forums one of the main reasons they wanted it removed was because of the stat increase it gives. So I’d argue it is quite significant for gameplay reasons and part of the overall Lost Ark game, not a seperate one. Value doesn’t matter because its not being sold for RL cash, if you could legitimately sell items in this game for RL cash you would probably be correct here.
The issue with the real value thing is Smilegate put an ingame exchange rate for gold which places a real value on the auction house items. Its how CSGO and DOTA skins are considered prizes under the legislation, as when you make a purchase on Steam, while most of us just consider it money, you are actually purchasing “Steam Wallet” currency to make the transaction, which while being one less level of conversion, is the same principle as using money to purchase royals to buy gold. Steam Wallet currency not being a direct cash equivalent like Royal Crystals becomes apparent when you realize there is no direct way to “cash out” the Steam Wallet back to actual currency without black market exchange.
The direct gameplay separation isn’t 100%, but it is significantly weaker than that of FUT and their packs because packs are essentially the only way to obtain players for your Ultimate team, it would be the equivalent of having to roll Yoz’s Jar to unlock classes for your alts or relic weapon variants. It is much easier to play the underlying game in Lost Ark without Yoz’s Jar, but FUT would be practically unplayable without the player packs.
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It is still equivalent, you can nit pick all you want but the reality is its part of the game, not a stand alone one which was seemingly the main point of the appeal decision. I understand where you are coming from, but I do not think it applies here. FUT is also its own mode though, as far as I’m aware you can play the game fine while ignoring FUT, which to me makes it seem like FUT is more of a stand alone game than Yoz Jar would be.
bring reworked yoz jar
These are the people you cater to with your “based on player feed back” decisions, fun stuff
Many of us would like some class themed skins, the ones that clearly have more work put in to them… to not be the last thing added to our version. The summoner we played in the beta or the legendary skins used in promotional stuff since launch, what will come first…
I hope Yoz Jar will never come back in the west in the way it is now
Yup, your feedback as a player is more valid than mine because it is something that YOU want; all this of course, despite your poor reading comprehension…read again the strong text but slowly this time…
Can you still play LA without this gambling system? yes? then moving on
This new cosmetic system will also give a chance to acquire Legendary skins, which provide better benefits than Epic skins. No worries if you like an older skin more than the looks of your new Legendary one with bigger bonuses, you can ‘Overlay’ the skin you like over the Legendary skin!
It’s not just people on the forums saying it, AGS themselves marketed Yoz’s Jar as an power upgrade to which the cosmetic value is secondary. The fact that you can layer another skin over it show just how important SGR knows the stat benefit is.
Hell, I’ll just admit it myself:
I only have an interest in buying the legendary skin for my main for the stat benefit, and if it’s removed, I won’t buy it.
However, I did buy it for both the stat benefit and the cosmetics for my Soulfist in RU, because I actually liked that skin. Some of them are very good, but anecdotally speaking, the stat benefit is the driving force behind their sales at the insane prices they go for, and AGS/SGR will get less money from me if the skins lose the stat benefit.
That said, I’d still absolutely prefer if the stat benefit was removed, so I didn’t feel obligated to buy a skin in order to have maximum damage. This is the key issue which AGS admitted:
We didn’t want players to feel that the skins found in Yoz’s Jar were necessary for gameplay
Which is beyond ridiculous, because the weapon quality is 30% extra damage, but not mentioned at all but it seems pretty important and I definitely felt obligated to upgrade it.
You get the materials to upgrade weapon quality by playing the game though. It’s not the same thing as having to spend blue crystals to roll for a legendary skin, which means someone is paying real money. While yes, you can swipe for gold and buy Stones of Chaos to roll for quality, you don’t have to because there’s a non-paid way to get them.
loud and clear
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I didn’t read all the responses, forgive me if this was said.
I think for here Yoz’s Jar should be like Neria’s Closet. It’s a supplemental eventish shop, where I can buy the skins (blue crystal) and it rotates stock every 1-2 months. This way they rotate the skins (like a lottery) but people don’t have to gamble for their skin, just wait.
I know waiting sucks, but I’d rather wait longer and get the skins here in a way that’s not so cost inefficient nor akin to gambling. It’s just waiting.
There is no way it should be blue crystals. Its a premium item they want cash for. Royal Crystals only and it should be several hundred dollars probably to make it fair to the other regions.