ok we agree average players won’t have that. this is a thread about the hardest raid currently in the game on the first week of it;s release. Guess it was dumb for me to assume we weren’t talking about casual noobs.
You don’t have to be a casual noob to be in that category, just a variance in play style.
I’m 4x3 1460 on my Sorc because I don’t care to be more right now, instead of I started working on some alts to get them up to 1430 to run more content more often. Having a 1430 PLD and 1415 Destroyer is more enjoyable for me, I can run more of the content each week.
I don’t expect to get accepted into a HM Vykas PF week 1 setup like this, which is why I ran it with my Guild and we cleared it fine. But I knew this ahead of time, I set my expectations.
So to go with the OP point, yes you do need to be well over the base line to get in a Vykas HM over those that are much further along than you are progression wise, since they did all the things you mentioned and outshine you in PF
Have yet to see a casual noob at 1430 let alone 1460. You are talking about a large portion of the regular playerbase and basing it on the absolute hardcore player base standards
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You obviously aren’t playing the game if you haven’t seen complete noobs at those ilvls. Took me almost 6 hours to do a full HM Vykas clear. It’s mind-boggling how bad most players are.
In a static so wouldnt know. Dont do pugs
I tend to accept people who don’t cheap out on their builds. It just happens that people that put no effort into their builds also tend to suck at doing mechs. Below are my personal requirements for vykas hard and it should be easily obtainable F2P.
Engraving: Budget 5x3 with precise dagger/drop of ether/mass increase OR Meta 4x3+1/4X3+2 with decent quality relic accessories. If you’re running full legendary is an instant decline.
Ivl: If you’re running grudge on any class except GL or artillerist, I expect 1470+ ivl. No grudge 1465+.
Gems: 7 on major dps skills，5+ on rest, all slots filled or equivalent.
tripods: 3 overall
Cards: doesn’t matter
Roster:doesn’t matter
I cleared this week when it comes to this? 1460 4+ engravings and your gems have to be 5+ that’s it now say you’re terrible that’s okay I’ll reform lol
12x class engravings are the stopping point for a lot of 5x3 builds right now. Your pretty much looking at AT LEAST 50k+ cost to get a 12x class right now. (if not up to 100k+)
i keep seeing ppl show Lv 7 gems and tbh i just dont see it as being needed. the difference between Lv 5 and lv 7 is roughly 5% more dmg per hit.
4x3, Lv 5 gems, +3 tripods on dmg skills and atleast Lv 55 would imo be the literal requirement.
as to what people ask for… i check up on it sometimes and even though this is week one we have “reclears only” in several listings xD
so people are just fucked either way
Not like people could have alts, right ?
really it just sounds like people wanting to get carried.
sure someone could have a 2nd or 3rd 1460 character. but whats more likely, someone wants to get carried because they suck or someone is a giga kraken that clears HM several times during week one. (and currently im seeing 3-4 reclear groups for HM)
in a fun twist, the people that have really really high requirements or in this case “reclear only” in there title during week one are HELPING everyone by showing who the idiot is.
i actively avoid groups that ask for very specific things in the title even if im more then qualified. because ive had nothing but bad raiding experience with people that ask for over geared players. because you ask for that when you cant clear the content naturally.
1475+ 5x3 means you gain seduction gauge slower dummy didn’t you read the patch notes
in all seriousness the groups of super overgeared people you see quit out and kick people fairly often if you just regularly pay attention to pf.
if you think you need a group of 1470+ 4x3+ to clear vykas hm the problem is you and your group are actually awful at the game because you can clear g2 (probably the tightest dps check) with 3+ minutes left on enrage with 4x3 at 1460.
There are tons of “over geared?” dps players applying to parties so your chances are pretty much zero to get accepted.
This reset one member from my Valtan static couldnt make it so we had to find one dps for the run and quess what. 5x 1480+ ilvl dps players with good engravings etc. applied almost instantly.
Only real advice I can give is that you have to make your own groups.
lol yes and that proves my point
people are asking for over geared players because they suck and cannot clear content on ilvl.
people are assuming everyone is going to get hit and take dmg so too idiot proof it they ask for people that will naturally take less dmg due to being over geared. but the funny thing is, if your so bad that you cant clear on ilvl it doesnt really matter if you take a lil less dmg. because typically the problem is that you are getting hit at all.
a 1460 player that cleared hard vykas is probably twice the player of a 1490 that cleared it. because that 1460 had to of been on top of everything to make sure they didnt get hit.
the best example of this happend to me during hm valtan. i got to valtan a bit late, so my first week of HM valtan was like 2 weeks into everything. so i joined a group got a clear and the next week i join a group that said something like “must have relic piece” and most of the players were 1460+
we were hard stuck on p2 until eventually the group just dies. so i join another one, again lot of 1450-1470 players and we were stuck on p2. everyone kept dying and group ends.
so i take a break and come back and join a party full of just 1445 players and within 2 pulls the boss was dead with most of the group alive during ghost phase.
on ilvl players that clear > over geared idiots
theres a reason why i keep seeing the same “reclear only” groups going for days now. they barely cleared the first time on an vastly over geared character. and now on there “on ilvl” alt they cant even get past p1 or p2
tbh , ppl usually invites only DPS players with 5 engravings and 10 ilvl above the minimun and gems +7
Easy answer play a support insta accept
The main problem is there are plenty of overgeared DPS out there to fill the spot thus the reason is if your not “overgeared” your chances of getting into the groups is small. Why take a lower geared person thats 4x3 then one of the 5 5x3 10/20 ilvl higher dps that also applied. Thats like going in playing 1 handed only as a self imposed handicap.
Create your own party guy
I was able to pug at 1465. 4x3, 2 piece of relic armor and relic rock. The rest are legendary. 2 lvl 7 gems the rest are lvl 5. Ran Gate 1 to Gate 3. Just gotta get lucky with a group tbh that is willing to persist and get on discord as it seems much friendly when you guys are in voice chat vs no voice chat. We were able to clear in about 6 hours with no support and we just pretty much formed a static from it.
Generally for pugs I’d say nobody wants to do it on ilvl so probably at least 1470 and at least 4x3 engravings with proper stats. Some people might look for 12-piece awakening on Lostwind Cliff or Light of Salvation card sets for DPS aswell.