then what are skins for ? and buying gold + crystaline aura
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well i have always aura + i’ll buy every ark pass if it’s worth + i buy skin if i like them + i bought extra slot and gonna buy another for summ and maybe reaper / artist
so yeah
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If your stones just cost 25 - 50 gold, you are buying stones that are not in demand at all.
I am trying to get a decent adrenaline/ambush stone for some weeks, and I am paying 1.5k gold per stone and the same amount in pheons euc.
I just can not complain, that is the price, they cost 3k each and if I want that 9/7 stone I pay for them, as I most likely will get it sooner or later.
Combine the price for gold and pheons, and you have the price per stone, that is just what it is.
There is so much gold in the game, better be glad that there is such a good gold sink, or the inflation would ruin much more.
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This argument makes no sense. Like others said there is aura, skins, slots, and crystals to boost your progression at anytime. This is a highly monetized f2p game and no one thinks devs work for free. This game is making money and so are all the bots that are selling gold which result in pheons costing so much (via gold) in the first place.
If Ability Stones / Accessories didn’t have Pheons attached to them instead of them costing 25 - 50 gold they’d cost the same 3000 gold. And better items would cost even more. Economy naturally factors in the existence of pheons and if they didn’t exist people would just attach their approximate price on top of items when selling them. That and people would be permanently flipping stuff driving up the value anyways.
Would be great if Ability Stones didn’t have pheons on them since you sometimes have to cut so many but just remember that the 50g stone you’re cutting would probably cost ~400g without pheons.
My point is that you think you’d be saving a lot of gold if pheons weren’t a thing but in reality you’d probably be spending the same amount if not more the only difference is that players would be getting ALL that gold instead of it going into pheons which would drive up prices for everything even more since everyone is suddenly making more gold.
I’m clearly not as hardcore as you and I don’t think I should have to be to slowly progress in the game. With Valtan, Argos, and Una’s I can get around 7.5k per week. So I can go and spend all of that to get like 2-3 crystals if I am out of pheons? Despite if people have settled and are okay with it, I genuinely believe this is bad design and they really only care about the whales who are willing to keep going. I know it’s a business so obviously they love there money source, but where is the soul and the desire to cater a broad audience. These are artificial barriers placed. It is becoming clearer everyday that this game isn’t for people who enjoy the progression, gameplay, and raids. It is for people who can get easily addicted and fall into a trap of treating it like a job and having to sink time and money to be able to feel smooth progression. It won’t last. It will make a lot of money until it doesn’t, but it won’t last. Sad to see where the mmo industry has gone.
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Read my post above yours. You’d be spending the same amount of gold if pheons weren’t there maybe even more.
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because if stones arent regulated , u will buy every single one and wont be another in the market… making prices for stones go to the thousands each , think of it
The difference is where the money goes to. With pheon on ability stones, the money goes into the system. Sellers don’t get a cut or anything. In both sellers and buyers POV, that money is down the drain.
With no pheon on stones, then that extra money would benefit sellers (players) and they/we can put it towards honing, crafting, buy extra chests, or anything else they/we need.
Which means another revenue of gold generation for people which then in turn means a hike up in prices for everything else since people are generating more gold now.
More currency = More spending = Higher prices.
On top of people flipping stones until trade limit runs out and skyrocketing the value since there’s no pheon anymore to regulate the flipping. Same with accessories. The only way it can be avoided is if Auction House works the same way Legendary Books in Market do. 1 time sell limit and you can’t resell. Legendary Books have a sell time limit of 1 specifically to prevent flipping and since they can only be sold once when you acquire them by any means outside of buying from another player they don’t need pheon regulation.
I don’t see the problem. If you have a small gold budget, you can’t get as much as you can with a big one, that is pretty obvious. Despite that, you will most likely be able to craft a decent 6/6 ability stone without spending more than the free pheons you get anyway. Don’t forget, you can always facet stones you loot by yourself, you are not forced to buy them.
And a 6/6 ability stone is enough for all the content we have, you can get affordable 4x3 engravings with that, that’s all you need for vykas hm and clown.
Going for a 9/7 ability stone for 5x3+1 engravings is somewhat hardcore, that is true, but it is just the current min max limit regarding engravings, no anything that anyone would need.
You could always get lucky, but if you are playing any game more on the casual side, you should not think that any min max limits are easy to achieve, you will always have to invest your effort on an equal plane.
I mentioned honing, crafting, chest price which stay fixed and don’t increase or decrease based on people’s income. And not everyone makes the same amount of gold so it could be nice for people who make little but lucky to get an okay stone to sell and get more money to put towards their progression.
On top of people flipping stones until trade limit runs out and skyrocketing the value since there’s no pheon anymore to regulate the flipping. Same with accessories. The only way it can be avoided is if Auction House works the same way Legendary Books in Market do. 1 time sell limit and you can’t resell. Legendary Books have a sell time limit of 1 specifically to prevent flipping and since they can only be sold once when you acquire them by any means outside of buying from another player they don’t need pheon regulation.
And I don’t know what you meant by flipping stones. Stone has a trade limit of 1. Once you buy it, it’s untradable. Just like books. By your logic, stones shouldn’t cost pheons then.
I never paid attention to the trade limit on it cause I instantly cut it if I buy it but if it only has trade limit of 1 then yes, they shoudn’t. Accessories have limit of 3 though.
That’s absolute bs. By this logic there would be nothing in the shop
Devs want to milk you as much as possible, that’s why a cashgrab system like pheons exists.
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The price wouldn’t magically stay the same if pheons were removed, they would still cost a fortune. Any stone that didn’t cost a fortune would get bought instantly because even people with 5x3 builds would then still try for a 9/7 stone because why not when there’s no pheon cost.
Yes it’s the worst auction system I’ve ever seen in an mmo and it’s like this because it’s directly tied to their monetisation, but removing pheons from stones wont suddenly make them affordable for you.
That’s not true. Prices of stones would increase yes, but the price would be less that actual prices+Pheons cost in most of cases. It would perhaps be similar in most wanted stones but there would be a lot of second line stones that would become much cheaper.
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Cause devs like money, and will keep liking money
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Gold that goes into pheons also goes to a player, and its almost 1:1. You buy pheon with blue crystals, blue crystals are bought when a whale sells royals. The only gold being removed from the economy through this system is the small % lost in taxes. So its literally the same thing lol
But yeah “read my post above it explains it”