I agree with would be nice. A good Costumer service is always needed.
System already implemented a pity system that gates progression, no need to give us less mats. Especially in month or week will see in increase with south Vern.
Normal Dunegons or chaos? Either way It’s suppose to be easy and reward player with mats the hard part are the raids. Speaking about raids today’s sponsor is… Anyway alt’s is your answer. Don’t like playing different characters? Make the same class character , very efficient as you can share gems and costumes.
Valten and on introduce gold into the game, or alts for oreha hard and argos.
As for IM prices aren’t bad generally costumes cost 25$ , and yeah they price them at point to make you load more. Considering your already buying 25$ set , 5 more won’t kill you and you can save for the next one. Alternately just buy them from AH they are pretty cheap.
Comparing LA to Wow isn’t good concept imo. I don’t know how much 264k gold in is worth and the ways of obtaining gold. If you would compared NA to JP or RU. I think the agurment would hold up much more.
P2W is Cheaper WoW, Koreans call LA P2W pay to lose considering F2P are able to catch up with ease few months after new of content release.
Boosting? We have something similar called
Bussing which is bit dead to ASG and SG adding normization to due being a big issues. Ig someone carrying for gold, which I think is cool and a non-issuse tbh. Wouldn’t mind being carried on a alt and I could make gold that way. Also fun soloing
Also I’ve the prices for “boosting” from 1lv to 50lv that shet is a joke. Just run it yourself, it’s a scam
Let me point out some inconsistencies and misinfo.
First of all under your “gear” section. The piece you’re hovering over is a heroic piece. Mythic is 278. If this were a 278 piece it would be worth a SHITTON.
Second, your mount and pets section is lacking information regarding how easy it is to get said pets/mounts. There is a reason shit is cheaper in WoW because things are easily farmable. You see the pets that are rare? Yea, those are expensive. Because they’re rare. You can farm 40 pets in a day if you want. You can also farm a ton of mounts per day as well.
Third, you comparing engravings to enchants in WoW is just straight up cringe because they aren’t even close in player power. Comparing Grudge (20% flat damage) to say, a haste enchant on your weapon (less than 1% dmg) is just a terrible terrible comparison. They aren’t the same. A more accurate comparison would be between a tier 4 set, or a mythic weapon to engraving.
Your comparisons between Lost Ark and WoW are just simply bad. They are two very different games…and comparing them literally makes no sense.
People who compare LA with WoW act like they were one of people competing with Method and Echo. I bet you guys had never been in the top10 progress group in WoW, and now you guys cry because you can’t compete with top10 progress group in LA. (Tbh, I highly doubt any of those people were even in US top 100)
Just progress as you suit. In WoW, you farm normal, hard, then mythic which takes months for most common players. But now, you guys are unhappy for not being able to reach the highest progress in a month? What a logic
Okay, so to clarify: i admit that my message in my first post on this thread is not so well formulated due to the fact that English is not my native language so obviously some of the things i said can be misunderstood or “debunked” . I tried to “compress” a lot of information (my ideas and opinions) and because of that a lot of things i wanted to say are wrongly formulated. So for that reason i try again:
When i made those screenshots comparing what you can buy with 20$ in WoW and Lost Ark, i was trying to show you a new player perspective. So (imagine) if i would be a totally new player, that never played WoW or Lost Ark and i start today to play LA and WoW. What difference i see between both games? The monetisation difference.
We all know that in most online games (mobile, PC, console,etc) real money is traded for in-game time. So with this i also reply to this person: [quote=“Haunting_Hyena, post:107, topic:316992”]
If you use garbage mounts and garbage pets, which WoW has dozens upon dozens of them, of course they are going to be cheaper.
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Yes it’s true, cheap pets and mounts and obtainable for free, but you know how much time it takes to farm 100 pets in WoW? Or 10 mounts? It can take between days and weeks (especially RNG pets/mounts drops). So with 20$ i save a lot of wasted time, time that i can focus on untradable pets/mounts.
And the same rule (real money= in-game time) applies to Lost Ark: buy gold with real money to hone and not wait for daily cd or farm 10 alts; buy Stronghold construction time reduction, buy engravings instead to farm them, etc. So when we compare the real money vs time ratio, my money and time is more appreciated in WoW.
The “time value” in Lost Ark is way more expensive than WoW. In LA with 20$ i buy one day of farm for honing mats. In WoW i buy a week of pet farming. I know this analogy is not perfect, but you get the idea.
Yes WoW has a 20+ years economy, but also take in consideration that this economy resets very often with each new expansion or big patch. So basically, WoW’s economy is reset every 6 months.
Many of you tried to justify that because Lost Ark is a new game and that “things” in LA have “more value” , it’s obvious that cash shop prices are higher than other games.
Now i ask you this: you open a restaurant (Lost Ark) next to another restaurant (WoW). What you do? You put double price (compared with the other restaurant) for the food or you try to make it cheaper to attract more customers? I think majority will chose the second option.
The justification that Lost Ark pets are “more important” than WoW pets and that they give “perks” it’s a bullsh#t and we all know it. You already have the free pet received from quest that gives you the same stats and the perks like a cash shop pet, so getting more pets from cash shop it’s just a “collectors whim”, you don’t need them. Later when Lost Ark will have 1-2 years age, there will be 30-50 pets (maybe even more) in cash shop with 20$ each.
Instead for them (devs) to try to compete with WoW and FF14 (the two major players on the market), they chose yo give them back the players (players that stopped to play WoW or FF14 to play LA). I think this was a big marketing mistake: trying to compete with the competition with higher prices than them.
A big drawback is the story with too many “real money” currencies and the exchange between them (real money>royal crystals>blue crystals) and the “forcing players to recharge more topic”.
Talking about the increase in number of players in the last week i have a huge feeling that most of those “returning players” are actually bots. The reason why i believe that is because in the last two weeks, matchmaking takes more and more time. In the first 3-4 weeks after launch it was almost instant. In weeks 5-6 it took between 1 and 3 min. Now in the last two weeks it takes between 2 and even 10 min. And yes, i play T3 and T2 chars. And it’s the same.
Concurrent players or peak players is the same. So stop trying to point out only concurrent.
Since Draenor, WoW doesn’t tracks the number of players. That was because of the huge loss of players during that expansion and they wanted to avoid dramas, so tracking number of players in WoW is not available. That site you linked above means nothing, it’s a fake site.
The only way to at least estimate the number of players is through wowprogress, raiderio, warcraftlogs and wowhead sites. They track the activity of players (achievements and dps logs) and from there we can make a estimation. It’s agreed by majority of sites that WoW stays at around 1,5-2 mill active players (not “concurrent”).
WoW has 25+ years. In 25 years they added 20 pets in cash shop. That is one pet at every 1,5 years. They added 23 mounts in cash shop. That is one mount at every 1,25 years.
Lost Ark started from day one with 7-8 pets, of which 5 of them is the same pet, just colour changed. They where so lazy to create at least 7-8 unique pets (unique looking) that they didn’t even bother. They chose the easy way: let’s change the colour of the pet and charge 20$ for that.
And I don’t even want yo bother to make a effort to search Lost Ark korean server. I have a feeling that their shop has at least 40-50 pets and 40-50 mounts, of which 70% of them are just a “recolour” of other pets. And LA Korea has only 3 years. If we will look after 25 years in the LA shop, i have a feeling it will have hundreds of pets and mounts.
If you’re lucky you spend 30 min.
How you know that those 1700 gold from Argos will get you more than in WoW?
Even now the game is full with bots. Every day i see a new post on forum with screens showing bots. As far i can conclude, taking in consideration the matchmaking time increase, i have a feeling that out of 100% “concurrent” players playing LA, at least 30% of them are bots.
Mate, go steam and look the charts. Look at each day from day 1 of launch (11 February) until 04 March (the day they banned the bots). The game has a daily decrease of players. Each day it looses 10-30k players. What you try to convince me?
New World was also released in multiple regions. So what? That doesn’t mean it’s profitable. Nobody knows how profitable LA West is.
The recent gift was given to korean servers for free when LA West launched (1 month+ before we received it). I have a feeling that they gave us this “free gift” because they realised it was unfair to reward korean servers for our launch and not reward us too.
Here i did a mistake. I tried to compress a lot of information without giving exact details. So let me explain:
It’s true, when the token was launched it was valued at 30-40k gold. I took a break at the end of Pandaria and came back 7-8 months before Legion because a friend convinc e me to play. When i said that Draenor was the expansion i played most, i didn’t mention “which part” of Draenor (period). That “hardcore” times, when i raided mythic was the 5-6 months before patch 6.2.2 (aka Legion prepatch), early 2016 to summer 2016.
During that time the value of the token was around 80-100k gold.
I played also a lot in Legion, but raided only in early Legion (Emerald Nightmare). After we finished Xavius, our guild started to disband (players quiting, family,kids, jobs, etc) and i continued to play until early BFA. When i said in my previous comment that the token was valued at 350-400k i was referring at this period, not Draenor.
I am sorry that i didn’t said in details my idea and tried to compress it on one sentence. Now it’s okay? Or i am still lying? And can you next time be less edgy and aggressive and maybe ask before accusing me of lying?
Now to end the topic:
Lost Ark doesn’t appreciate the players and the player’s time. It shows a clear and blatant disrespect for the player’s time. Almost mocking the player.
Asking for you to invest 1h+/ day only for dailies (on one character) it’s a joke. The biggest joke is the Guardian Raids: a event that is tedious, annoying and if you have bad team it can take up to 15 min to complete it.
And take in consideration that the “optimal way” to play this game is to play main + minim 3 alts. So that’s a total of 3,5-4h/day wasted only to do dailies on all your chara.
Content wise there not much to say because there is no much content. At the start i was a big LA defender arguing players here on forum that where complaining that they are bored. Now, after around 400h of play-time, when i completed 80% of each zone and the only thing left are the rapports and the rng collectibles (island souls, world tree leafs, etc) i realised there is not much to do in the game. Repeat every day the same islands, do one time/week abyss on all your chars and do dailies. Am i missing something?
At least in WoW there is plenty of activity: farm old raids for mounts/pets, raise reputation with all factions, farm achievements, do mythic dungeons, if you are good player you can boost others and get gold, PvP, current expansion, etc. 80% of WoW’s population didn’t even completed not even 50% of the total achievements. So that says a lot. True WoW has 25 years, but even a new expansion offers you 10x time more content than the whole Lost Ark.
Monetisation? We all know the main concept of Lost Ark: GAMBLING.
Pets?Mount? Half of them are recolour of same pet/mount.
Customer support? A joke…players getting banned because they bought from AH refunded skins. How can i know that the seller is refunding? So i earn my gold with hard work and patience to buy a pet or mount and i get banned because of someone else. Seriously? Not to mention the scamed players that moved from Central to West and didn’t received their packs (Founders, Vanquisher,etc).
There is no comparation between WoW and LA. WoW is a net superior game in all aspects.
With this i retire from Lost Ark. I regret spending 300+$. If i could take them back and give them to the first stranger i meet on the street i would do without hesitation.
Enjoy your failed game.
I love how you still can’t grasp the concept of inflation and how economies work and yet you continue to argue with many people who share the some knowledge as I do here. You continue to point out that player numbers decrease which no one is denying but we all understand no game has 100% retention rate of players. You cannot fathom the idea that this game is profitable although it clearly is. Lastly, you want the game to fail as you no longer enjoy it, i’m sure i’m not alone in saying goodbye and enjoy WoW.
Edit - Also, you state this game is ‘is no comparation between WoW and LA.’ (Assuming you meant comparison), yet this entire thread is about you comparing them. Looking through your profile you can see you’re just overall negative towards this game and just on any bandwagon, if you hate it this much why are you even on the forums? To farm likes for a game you concluded is going to fail?
I love how you hang on one topic (money/gold) and ignore all the rest i said above, trying to prove a point by failing.
I covered at least 10 topics of “what’s bad in Lost Ark”, from cash shop prices difference compared with other games, in-game gambling, devs lazyness to create unique mounts/pets so they chose to recolour same pet or mount and charge money, scammy money to crystals to gold exchanges, lack of content, repetitiveness of content, awful customer support and many more…and you still talk about inflation.
True, games can’t have 100% retention rate. But also no other game looses 80% of players in just 2 months after launch.
Ahhh wait…i forgot. There is one: NEW WORLD.
Maybe now it makes sense…same publisher.
How you know? We have some statistics? A link? A paper? That shows how much money LA West has done?
Tipically idiotic answer. Due to lack of arguments, now you start with : “you hate this game” or “you want this game to fail” . That’s all you can?
If i would have hated this game i would have not bothered to play 400h. I would have not bothered to make a lengthy post with screens and 100% i would have not bothered to share my opinion and talk with people like you here, on forum. I could use my time for other things.
I would have left and play another game.
My presence here on forum it’s enough proof how much i like this game, how disappointed i am and how i hope (a vain hope) for a change.
You sure? Or you just looked my comments made in the last week? Look my comments before this post (date). 90% of them are positive and trying to convince people to like this game.
Sure everything OP says is more or less correct… expect the expectation that lost ark will fail here. Projected static numbers by smilegate was 250k, we are 50k over that and as we get closer to KR standards the numbers will only increases, you’d be surprised how many ppl like grindy KR mmos. this is a f2p game and imo anything that forces ppl to spend money even if it’s just for skins is a good thing, i really hate f2p games not making money, especially if i personally enjoy them.
either way, besides start up costs, this game will cost me personally a lot less money than wow and not because of the subscription, i always paid tons of $ each month on gold just to buy boes and other useless things since i have too much money irl and love mmos. i’m not an uber whale in this game or anything as i don’t rage-hone but i’ll def throw in tons of $ when new cool skins come out or anything else that catches my fancy.
What in this Sentence, should anyone believe you meant prepatch of Legion.
You Clearly said, “When WoW Token was introduced”. Then held a Story about you selling Boosts etc blabla.
Now you said, you quitted Pandaria.
Sure with Legion the Price skyrocket because it was a new Expansion, and after WoD which many ppl didnt liked, the hope was big it gonna be a great Addon, and in the End it was.
I dont accusied you of Lieng, i asked you if you just like to lie or are Lazy.
Its just Fishy that all the Numbers that PROOF your statements, are “oppsie my bad, did a mistake”.
You’re right. I deserve to die for not expressing myself in a detailed and proper manner.
Ohhh god…so much anger in you.
So now we continue to debate my mistake i already admitted and corrected?
No. That numbers is the highest amount of concurrent players found in the past 24 hour recordings. You can tell that it’s a single-hour number by moving your mouse over the graph, and finding that one particular hour when that number was reached.
Facts don’t care about your feelings. Concurrent players are the only available number for Lost Ark, so that’s the only quotable number there is.
Find some better numbers then. And these 1.5 - 2 mil active players would be about 10 - 20 % of what Lost Ark currently has.
WoD came out 8 years ago. That a game was big 8 years ago has little meaning today. Comparing to anything that happens these days is the same as arguing that a horses are better for personal transportation than today’s cars because in the 18th century, horses had 100 % market dominance in the field of personal transportation while today’s cars aren’t nowhere close to that number.
You wanna hear a fact?
Lost Ark is the biggest release in the last 3 years. It was supposed to be the most hyped and expected game in the West.
Not only that when LA launched it didn’t had competition, but also the “market” was already saturated with “old games” and players willing to try something new.
And if you are happy for a game to have 300k “concurrent players” , when it should have minim 5 mill, then i am sad for you.
WoW when it was launched, had 10x times more players than LA. And take in consideration that back then in 2004, a home gaming PC was a luxury even in the West. Not to mention that players played WoW on a dial-up internet connection and took them a week only to download the game.
So stfu, clearly you are a “Puffco” …no matter what others say, you always will fanatically defend LA. Go play the game and ignore me. Bye
How entertaining, that me blowing up the entire base for your argument is “tiresome”
Literally no PC game in history has ever had 5 mil concurrent players.
You set a completely impossible goal, mix it with your own imagination of a comparison, that has zero support in reality, and then call LA a failure because it doesn’t meet this imagination of yours.
And WoW had 12 mil subcscibers at it’s peak. In comparison, Genshin Impact has about 60 mil active players. Sure, WoW was huge for its time, but just like horse-drawn carriages, it just isn’t that much of a thing anymore, and has little impact on what’s happening these days.
About half way through I couldn’t stop laughing. Your argument is biased and you are sugar coating wows pay to win aspects. For $200 I bought 1 mythic clear, 5 m+15 gear funnel runs and 2 prices of mythic boe’s. The result was I was raid ready after skipping a tier and was able to resume my tank spot on my raid team. Wow is pay to win. Lost ark is also pay to win. If you don’t like the word win and you want to split hairs I’m not interested in that conversation. You can spend real money in both games to get where you want to be.
Also, your pet argument was embarrassing. 100 pets in wow are not equal to 1 pet in lost ark. The good, rare, desirable pets go for a lot more than $20 in wow. Also the pet market in wow is very complex and the most dedicated collectors have strategies on pet buying and selling. A casual player should stay away from pets in wow as they have almost no functionality beyond getting rep.
To answer the question of which game is more pay to whatever would be pointless. Comparing a game that recently released with the super old established wow is never going to be relevant. Which game are you playing? That’s the game that matters. All my wow gold buys me nothing in lost ark.
You insist on this “concurrent” thing too much mate. You hype this “300k concurrent players” like 300k players means something. And after you shoot yourself in the knee with this:
You just proved my point without me even saying something. Thank you.
How many items you got out of that mythic clear? At least 3 bis items you got from that mythic, if not more. And after you reply, compare with LA, how many items you can maximize with 200$. In LA if you wanna buy a BIS accessory, you need thousands of dollars to buy it. Not to mention you have 4 accessories to buy and upgrade your gear.
Why do i bother? We talk when you pass 1415-1420 ilvl…then you will come back and agree with me,
You mean that pet in Lost Ark that has 6 colour variation of the same identical pet, which is sold with 20$ each (same pet, different colour)? Or that pet you get for free and does the same thing like a cash shop pet?
At least in WoW, all cash shop and “hard to obtain” pets are unique pets, not colour variation of same pet.
Did i denied this? In fact if i remember right, i agreed that both are P2W. So your point is?
Then why “Lost Ark defenders” compare WoW with LA?
As i said at the beginning , this thread is a reply to the above linked thread.
I have only seen this comparison made between wow and lost ark being made to point out wow is in fact also p2w. Or to show that western mmo gear grinds feel better than honing to western players. The amount of money you spend on these two games is not relevant to those arguments. Wow is p2w and western people seem to for the most part be more comfortable with wow gearing systems.
An argument could be made that lost ark is not as p2w as wow simply because the cost to p2w in lost ark is so large that the average player cannot do it. While most people can come up with $200 for wows p2w. It’s almost like the lost ark devs think if the p2w is too expensive it makes their game less p2w.
