Instead to make another argument, why not answer the questions asked to your previous argument.
You said:
And i asked you:
You said:
And i asked you:
So…can we have a normal debate where we stick to your arguments and answer them or each time you get a “difficult question” we change the argument? See? This is the issue: we both know i am right, but because you refuse to admit it and want to prove your point and prove me wrong, every time when you get a “hard question”, you change the topic.
And that crap above, that LA devs made the game on purpose more expensive so that players don’t spend money and play for free we both know it’s a bullsh#t. You lack the proper answers to my questions and now you talk gibberish.
So can you please answer my questions?
I answered your last point. More importantly I spoke directly to your argument that wow is less pay to win because it costs lest to do it?
I said for $200 I was able to gear up enough to enter new content. I don’t remember the exact number of items but suffice it to say I got enough to meet my goal. I’d expect it would take sever thousand more to do the same in lost ark. I am willing to agree it’s cheaper in wow.
I don’t think I understand your pet question so that’s my answer to that. Pets are more than 20 in wow and variations of color of pets doesn’t effect the main argument that these games are py to win and cost does not change that.
In conclusion I didn’t think those other questions were interesting and your point on those doesn’t convince me of your point that wow is not as pay to win as lost ark.
I hope I answered your questions and I want to thank you in advance for agreeing with me that wow is more pay to win.
For one Mythic boost? if you get 2 or 3 items ( and we are not talking about BIS ITEMs) you are lucky, mythic boost is Personal loot and you can buy traders, but every trader you buy is expensive and you can get the same item for everyone.
And ofc this is BEFORE the new Blizzard politics about boosting, now is moooore expensive.
game in gaming history that is compared with wow miserably.
One of them is an mmorpg. In wow you have been raiding for 20 years with 40-25 other people in an actual end game content. But in lost ark you cant hold even a stable 8 for 20 min content at first month.
there is some issue with your idea:
1- you cant get 5k gold from old raids bcuz they nerf to hell if you luck you do all old raids and you get around 3k gold.
(i was booster in nova raid and m+)
2- you can buy +15 m+ for 200k gold with traders but you need bis items so you must buy more boost i’m not even talk about mythic raid boostit’s start from 5mill gold and it’s with out trader
3- you cant get 10k gold per hr with potions and food!!!(realy) but if you farm all day herb and mine you can farm a least 4 token per week but i’s depend on your sever AH.
4- wow player base no one can tell bcuz blizz never reveal it, all number is guess
5- if you play normal in game and daily you can get around 160k gold per month but token is 260k
base game and economy in this two game are different you cant compare them.
and accept that no game not doomed to fail except they shutdown servers.
You don’t understand my question, but you have enough understanding about LA and WoW pets to say this:
But let’s end the pet topic. Clearly you have no clue about WoW and what pets in WoW mean for a pet collector (myself included with almost 1,2k unique pets, 80% of them at lvl 25).
I didn’t said it’s cheap, but it’s way cheaper than Lost Ark. And that was the idea i wanted to say in my post as reply to the person who started the other post accusing WoW of being more P2W than Lost Ark.
WoW is a “little kid” compared to Lost Ark at the P2W topic. And that includes subscription and the fact that you need to buy the expansion.
You know that the total of 540k gold is calculated at 3k gold? I took the minimum number, 3k not 5k when i calculated this.
And yes, you can do more than 3k gold/raid. Here i show you:
I entered Icecrown Citadel, went to Lord Marrowgar, first boss, killed the few mobs until the boss, killed the boss, took the loot and went back to entrance to npc to sell the loot and here is the result:
169 gold and 14 silver. And that made by killing first boss and 10 mobs. I didn’t even cleared the additional mobs on the side of the room before boss.
So yeah, it is possible to reach even 5k gold in a Legacy Raid if you kill all mobs and bosses in that raid. Trust me i did it many times.
Just play the game. I have 5 T3 characters with a 1402 main/1380 main alt and I haven’t spent a dime on buying gold. Most of my gold went into buying blue crystals as well.( I probably bought 40k so far with gold generated.)
(Before you write me off as just “lucky” I have 430/500 fails on my achievement, and I work full-time as well.)
To make your statement more believable. Just for safety. Okay i wait your screen later.
And talking about hours, so you say 780h played. If we do a small math, today is exactly day 60 since the game launched, that means you played a average of 13h/day, every day since the game launched.
So you wanna say that in the last 60 days you didn’t worked and played 13h/day? And today you decided to go back to work and that’s why you can’t show the screens?
Gotta take out 30-40 hours for beta and alpha, I caught covid and got a week and a half off. I don’t understand what part do you not believe, my item level or what?
The fact that you played 12h/day. That is hard to believe and if you really did it, there is a serious issue. You should seek help.
And talking about 12h/day we go to the exactly main topic of monetisation in games:
And now you get my idea?
Basically you played 84h/week. If your employer would ask you to work 84h/week would you agree? I am 99% sure you would not.
And this is how these games force you to chose between “money” and “time”. You chose time. I prefer not. I don’t want to get employed by Lost Ark to stay 12h in game to farm a upgrade that will increase every time a new patch is added to the game. No thank you.
To judge people about their playtime or their handling of life and work balance is sad.
You should really think about if this is still belonging to your topic of this thread.
So if someone gets high ilvl without P2W they are just dismissed as “playing too much” or lucky and conversation over? They should seek help because they play a lot?
Have you ever heard of a game called Wow or runescape which people would grind like mad? Are those games dead games too because they require so much time? Oh wait they are still running after 20+ years odd.
Imagine having this much free time and still wrong about almost everything you said. Comparisons makes no sense for example lost ark got 1.3 m because twitch/amazon/gaming is bigger than ever. Some of the prices you compare are nonsense, you even use founder packs and exclusive stuff
The game started to grow again and it will become better and better each patch.
The lost ark you are playing now is not the full game yet, gold price gets better and many things change. Do some research on kr server.
I would like to know how many people online in wow because they are too coward to show the numbers
Lost ark numbers are the double of wow on twitch and reddit most of the time
400 k + peaks on steam + 240k peaks in korea
You cant say wow is cheaper when you are forced to pay every month to play and even buy the game at the same time.
And do some research how much money you need to be a world first raider because it looks like you are just a random 0 iq casual player.
Have a good day, back to wow and never come back. Keep playing that old trash
if you luck you do all old raids and you get around 3k gold.
